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Darkly humorous, but that really is the simple spiritual wisdom involved here. “Be careful you don’t become the enemy you wish to destroy. ” This behavior is so NOT what was meant by the quote, “To know your enemy, you must become your enemy.”
What in the world am I blathering on about!? Well, wikipedia gives a pretty good run down on what trash culture actually is. I especially liked the term “low cultural profile.” It is things done in poor cultural taste in order to get clicks and attention.
Motherhood is grand right? That’s what these guys teach, a kind of red pill patriarchy disguised as Christianity. So I’m going to go and invoke some motherhood privilege here and point out that what comes out of these guy’s mouths does not honor their mothers at all. Just so we are clear here, they like to use words like “vagina” and “slut” a whole lot and brag about wanting to revoke the 19th amendment. There is a pronounced and definitive theme of needing to punish women for having destroyed the world. Constantly. Well, women and mermaids. Recently Pastor Joel Webbon and friends attempted to make a Biblical case for mermaids, in part so he could use every misoygystic word in the book, declare mermaids to be part of the demonic and yet another sign that women have clearly forfeited their souls. Stephan Wolfe, the Case for Christian Nationalism, is a kinist. A kinest is a polite way of saying people who believe in racial separation. Not sure how he feels about mermaids.
Anyway, I could slog on an on providing endless evidence and quotes demonstrating why these men are excellent examples of what I would call “Christian Trashworld.” One simply cannot sing the praises of motherhood, consider it a woman’s highest calling while also saying things like, “the weak evangelical whore is a slut who lies down in the middle of a burning city, spreading her legs to the rioters and looters, spreading her legs to Marx, Engels, Alinksy, and Soros.”
Forgive me my delicate sensibilities but I’m just not feeling all the mother love here. In fact, I find such verbage disrespectful and deeply embarrassing. And that is but one example! Multiply that times hundreds and you might understand why I turn such a jaded eye towards those who feel qualified to instruct women on a need to embrace our “highest calling.”
Which brings me to politics and the little logo at the bottom of their flyer, the little red Ranier Beer logo. I jest, that is actually an “R” and stands for “right response.” These guys perceive themselves as representatives of the Christian right, the conservative right. They have embraced the “Moscow mood,” the trashworld Christian culture modeled and promoted by Pastor Doug Wilson.
I have spent several years now trying to say, “hey guys, this isn’t the Christian right!” Worse yet, this isn’t even Christ-like. Let’s be more Christ-like! Naturally several of them have patiently listened to my gentle mothering words and given them all due respect and consideration. LOL, I jest of course! I’ve simply managed to collect myself a whole bunch of pornographic fan mail filled with violent sexual themes and endless misogyny.
Seriously, I often just want to ask, “so you kiss your mother with that mouth?” Do you offer something preferable to just being incarcerated with a 6 ft convicted rapist who now fancies himself to be a woman? Because I simply cannot see any difference between one trash culture and another. It’s all trash. It’s all culture. It’s all just endless loathing and perpetual hatred of women. This is not conservatism. This is not Christianity. This is not even the gospel. What this is is just the meme worthy, cartoonish right wing boogeyman that has caused so many people to not only reject right leaning politics, but to also reject the church herself.
You cannot defeat trashworld by becoming trashworld yourself. This is not my opinion, it is a fact, a clear and well documented spiritual truth. All you wind up doing is replacing one trashworld with another. And here we are.
It seems difficult to distinguish behaviors of swindlers Left versus Right but that they appeal to different audiences … calculated to fulfill the desires of the respective swindlers. Doesn’t the Bible underline that point?
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Good point, Jack. Yes, I think the Bible does underline that very point.
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Disgusting that anyone calling themselves a Christian would speak publicly like that. They may be right about particular women, I do not know because I don’t follow trash culture like that. But they should not talk like that. How is that edifying or helpful or spreading the gospel? I don’t think the Apostle Paul or Jesus or GOD would approve. SMH.
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They really should not talk like that. And yet their language, quotes, and books are all over social media. Arrgg!
Sometimes I feel like a 98 yr old grandma from another time trying to lecture people about the importance of remembering common decency and practicing basic good manners. Ironically, if you went into a bar talking about women the way some of these guys talk, someone would probably punch you in the nose.
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The OT prophets spoke publicly like that quite frequently.
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hmmm. Care to elaborate?
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Unfortunately, the American ‘Right’ is so convinced of its own Superiority and its own presumed Divine Favor that they’re hopelessly blind to what they’ve become. I’ve said before that they’re nothing but the Reactionary Left—and American Liberals, BTW, became what they stood against decades ago.
It’s interesting to look back at Ancient Israel and note that they too were split into two antagonistic parties, with a hedonistic, virtue-signalling culture in the North and a bullying, self-righteous one in the South. Both sides had their own versions of megachurches preaching that they were ‘exceptional’ and that power and wealth were the Fruits of the Spirit. We see how well that ended up for them, it turned out that the prophets weren’t just a bunch of ‘tin foil hat conspiracy theorists’ or ‘unrealistic idealists’ after all.
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I agree, except that I think idealism is unrealistic this side of heaven . As individuals we should aim for ideal personal behavior but not expect it from others because we’ll just be disappointed when they let us down.
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Nightwind makes a good point about how American liberals have now become what they stood against decades ago. The reactionary right seems bound and determined to do the same.
And pkadams, that is precisely my struggle in life! I know that idealism is unrealistic this side of heaven and yet the Lord’s prayer says in part, “on earth as it is in heaven.” I think we’re called to bring a bit of heaven down to earth and try to make some of that idealism real without kicking anyone in the shins, LOL.
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I like some of these guys . . . maybe not enough to pay to see them “on tour”, but I really enjoy listening to them on certain topics.
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I like some of them too, or at least I used to. The thing is, even a broken clock is going to be right twice a day. The fact that they get some things right once in a while does not mean that the bad things they advocate and say are okay.
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It seems to me that your view of Conservative Christians tends to be a bit unfair. I know The Night Wind’s view of Conservatives cannot be trusted.
Since I don’t know anything about the pastors you are talking about (except for Wilson), I don’t have anything to say specifically about them. So, I will just make this observation. The Biden Administration is raking Israel over the coals for not doing enough to protect the civilians in Gaza. That nonsense helped to encourage a body we have nothing to do with, the ICC to accuse the leader of Israel of war crimes, which even Biden had to admit is ridiculous.
Why is Israel relevant? Oddly, too many of us tend to criticize the people with whom we share the most in common. So, we have an absurd situation. Even though Israel is risking the lives of it soldiers trying to protect civilians in Gaza, our government is giving Israel more grief than it is Hamas.
If these preachers are as misguided as you say, I doubt they have much of a following. We have over 330 million people in this country. So, Christian fringe groups can number in the millions, but still remain in the fringe. But the corporations and universities responsible for creating our trash culture are in the mainstream. So, it might be more useful to give those people more grief.
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Jeez, Tom.. that doesn’t sound overly Christian.
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Shrug! Since you are not being specific, I have no reason to take your remark seriously. Suffice to say I have never met anyone who was overly Christian. I am happy a mere Christian.
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The idea you suggested to give certain people some grief. Seems a bit confrontational and uncompromising discourse for someone who promotes scripture. The idea that people living in glass rocks should not throw houses… kinda thing.
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Doug
That’s a stretch. You are trying too hard to find something to pick apart. Have you been reading “Rules For Radicals“?
The Bible says God is love. The Bible does not say love is God.
Read Romans 13:1-7. The government of Israel is their avenger. Our government is our avenger. Both should serve as ministers of God, though they may not acknowledge such.
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I’m reminded of the old yard sale bromide… “One person’s trash is another person’s treasure.” Sometimes people feed on dumpster diving.
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Indeed? I’m a fan of dumpster diving and turning trash to treasure.
Two of those guys are kinests, which is a polite way of saying they are outright supporters of segregation and bans on inter racial marriage. They are blatant, out of the closet, racists. This is not a whisper campaign, or an attempt to make them look bad, they actually wrote books expressing their views. Another one just spent a few weeks bragging about how he controls every aspect of his wife’s life, including what is allowed to read or view on video.
Any one of them could mellow as they age or progress and grow within Christ at some point in their life. God is certainly good at turning trash into treasure.
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You are correct there.
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Christians have been fighting cultural battles for centuries. Bede, Eusebius and Augustine have some pretty good ideas on how to deal with them. Might be a good place to start?
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Yes, amen! Good points. I really believe we need to honor the saints who came before us and to learn from them. So yet another objection I have to “Right Response Ministries” is that they say, things like “Sadly, previous generations of Christians…. fell asleep at the wheel.” And their stated purpose, “that we might set up our children and grandchildren to succeed where previous generations of Christians in America have failed.”
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Yeah, not really big on that. “Honor your father and mother that it may go well with you in the land you have bee given.” That’s a quote from somewhere I can’t recall off the top of my head.
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The whole thing about mermaids and Knish is sickening
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