He is. He just is and it grieves me no end that he has Christians following him like a bunch of brain dead lemmings. Utterly, totally brain dead and possessing no powers of discernment what so ever. Evil is evil.
Mailvox: Breivik: saint or monster?
VD has long upheld Anders Breivik as a hero, the Norwegian guy who murdered 69 people in cold blood, many of them children. He repeatedly presents this guy as some kind of freedom fighter, his act of terrorism really just an act of war, a heroic sacrifice. Love, even.
In addition to romantisizing a brutal and destructive crime, he instigates feelings of outrage among his readers, basically brainwashing them into believing they are fighting a war for Western civilization.
This is how you exploit wounded and broken men, this is how you radicalize terrorists. This is how you glorify violence, this is how you you entwine it with alleged sexual reward, this is how you convince broken people to do bad things.
He encases his hatred in faith too, using religious language he says things like, “I also have a number of friends whose confirmed kills are in double-digits. Nor am I at all persuaded by the notion that the God who loved David, who slew “his ten thousands”, or the Jesus who praised the faith of the Roman centurion, is anywhere nearly as appalled by war as most men would like to believe.”
And when someone acts on his leadership and murders a bunch of innocents, VD will likely smirk, knowing his hands are clean, knowing he will never have to pay the price for what some stupid midwit did.
Don’t be a stupid midwit. Men built Western civilization, men are needed to rebuild Western civilization, to throw out the cult leaders, sociopaths, and wannabe dictators who have no one’s best interests at heart.
See, there's this thing called biology... 
“I have a number of friends whose confirmed kills are in double digits.”
I hope that the FBI, Interpol, and the Carabinieri look into what he means by that.
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I hope too, and pray that people with more power than I have are paying attention.
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I’m sure he’s talking about military men. Whom I’m sure are ecstatic to be compared to terrorists.
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Guess I should add in case it isn’t clear (Poe’s law and all)…that last bit is sarcasm.
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I don’t knows who is worse, the pseudo christian who traffics in words and phrases and shows covert hostility to God and scripture, or the atheist who shows overt hostility.
Eh, I suppose they are both bad news bears, with apologies to grizzlies. The voxes are self made imposters, duping they who want to be duped. But your language to them is much kinder than mine, that’s for sure msb.
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I’ve often pondered that very thing, who is worse the outright atheist or the one one promoting evil in the Lord’s name? As annoying as evangelizing atheists can be, I have a feeling those who misuse, misrepresent the Lord are in a lot more trouble. It’s one thing to not know Him, it’s another to know Him and pursue dark things anyway.
Regardless, God will sort it all out and His patience is a lot more steadfast than mine. Good thing, too. 🙂
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I suppose that while atheism has slain its thousands, the false masquerading believers have slain their ten thousands.
Ouch.
At least it would seem the atheist has more hope!
Like you, the people who have banned me from their sites is escalating. O well.
Why do people moan about daylight….
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Storm,
You are a big, furry, loveable pussy cat.
Why would anyone want to ban you?
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Which is worse, the grizzly outside your house, or the one inside?
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Amen to that. We need to be teaching our young men that this country is worth rebuilding and restoring confidence in her again.
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Amen! We need to be pouring some encouragement on young guys, lifting them up in prayer and with our words. This is their country, as flawed as it is it’s still a great blessing, an inheritance even, and they have an important role to play. Life is good, there are a great deal of adventures that await them, fun even. You have to keep your eyes on the good stuff. 🙂
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Vox’ post sounds exactly like Jihadi propaganda.
Even soldiers who fight in just wars pay a terrible personal price for the mayhem they inflict in order to destroy their enemy.
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He does sound just like a Jihadi and that’s a real problem. He also sits over there in Italy, well off, comfortable, stirring up trouble here in America and else where. It’s really irritating to me that there are many Christians apparently unable to see through the rubbish.
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I am not sure I understand what there is to gain by pointing people to that web site. Vox Day is not going to listen to you or anyone else. The guy is a mental case. Anyone who swallows the Kool-Aid that fellow is peddling already has serious mental issues. What is the point in helping anyone find that website?
insanitybytes22, instead of getting angry with a fool whose behavior brings to mind Matthew 7:6, please remember what you stand for. You are a great advocate for the faith. Do that.
Are there times we must don the armor of God, weld the sword of the word, and boldly stand against the Devil. Yes. Every day. We don’t have to go looking for Satan. Did Jesus? No, when we are doing our Lord’s work, Satan will come to confront us.
Jesus did not charge us with destroying the devil. He told us to resist him. Jesus wants us to spread His Gospel, to be looking for souls that need to be saved. We can offer people something beautiful, not ugly. We can offer people the Gospel, and that is something I have seen you do well.
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Well,a few hundred thousand people, many of them Christian people, already traverse that website on a daily basis. Were he simply a guy struggling with mental illness, I would look away, but he isn’t . He’s a very popular writer and a mentor to many. The guy who writes him is saying what many do, I want you to be my teacher,my leader.
There is something to be said for sunlight too, the way dragging things out into the sunlight where they can be seen, helps to air them out. “The only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing,” right?
I do appreciate your words though. I really do need to remember to focus on “whatever things are lovely” and not get bogged down by the world’s evil.
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The Old Testament spends a great deal of ink condemning sins. The New Testament spends much more praising the love of God and the fruit of the spirit.
For the most part I think we are suppose to do God’s work and be prepared for those who oppose us to try to stop us.
One thing I learned in the military is this. It is easier to fortify a position and defend it than it is attack a fortified position.
Can we win a purely defensive war? Sort of. Our offense is spreading the Gospel. Since the Gospel is an offense to those who don’t believe, they will attack those who believe. Then we defend.
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Triple like CT.
Especially the doubled edged sword of the ‘offense.’ Nice catch.
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Thank you.
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Part of Vox’ popularity comes from his ability to attract men who feel socially marginalized or are otherwise vulnerable. The Jihadists recruit in the same way. The purpose of exposing people like Vox isn’t so much to change how men like him behave and believe; the purpose is deter well-meaning but weakened/vulnerable men from falling into his movement.
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Thanks for this. I have to remember this also. But to be honest, I’m not familiar with Vox’s handiwork. Now I am. Goody. LOL
Had to look him up. Italy really seems an odd place to park for a person with his ideology.
Apparently he describes himself as a libertarian nationalist. Isn’t that an oxymoron along the lines of Democratic Fascist, or something?
Ah, well. Noted.
I’ll pretend that was like seeing a train wreck. Awful, but I”ll try to put it behind me.
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I find it appalling that these midwits can always find a single scripture to “try” to back them up. It’s a shame they don’t take time to read God’s Word and listen to the Holy Spirit instead of themselves. But then again these people have been and always will be around.
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Andy, I too find it appalling.
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Yes, this is evil.
He is using exactly the same justification as terrorists use.
I like the way he compares terrorist actions with military actions. How avant-garde. Haven’t heard that one before. Ward Churchill comes to mind. He and Vox should get a room.
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He compares terrorism to warfare, but he discreetly fails to mention that Brevik’s actions would have been illegal under the Articles of War. If Brevik had been a uniformed soldier in a declared war, he would have been guilty of War Crimes.
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Agreed.
There’s really a laundry list of things he fails to mention.
It would take a book to address the fallacies in detail.
I’m trying to avoid the temptation to really debate those points because it would take too much time out of my day and I suspect it would be time wasted.
As Citizen Tom notes above he’s a nut job and what I write isn’t likely to change anyone’s mind either way.
His reference in the post script was about the worst misinterpretation of Clausewitz’s quote I’ve ever heard.
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Quote from Ward Churchill (I should’ve supplied an example before, for those who don’t know who he is):
“If there was a better, more effective, or in fact any other way of visiting some penalty befitting their participation upon the little Eichmanns inhabiting the sterile sanctuary of the twin towers, I’d really be interested in hearing about it.”
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I am obviously a huge purponet of our Western Civilization…
the same Western Civilization that I am currently watching being flushed readily down the toilet by her own members as well as by others who WC is allowing to flush…
…But anyone who claims to be a Christian cannot stand beside a mass murder and dare condone such actions.
Let’s see, what number is that on that little list of Commandments that everyone seems to be forgetting…..
Depravity, at last check was not a Christian virtue nor even considered a virtue for non believers….
and since I don’t read the likes of this fellow you speak of, I really can’t comment but to echo your frustration that so called Christians actually align themselves with evil—because that is pretty much what mass murder looks like…heck, any murder for that regard….evil as in demonic.
Those militia groups holed up in places like Idaho are no better than the young jihadist that blew himself up in Manchester nor are the white supremacist, the black panthers, or any other group of people who plan assaults, attacks and “revenge”….
It is one thing to defend ones own during an assault or attack—but to be calculating and desiring to carry out mayhem, murder and attacks…well that’s a whole nother ball of wax…
Ours is to proclaim the Truth—God’s not our own….
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”I am obviously a huge purponet of our Western Civilization…
…But anyone who claims to be a Christian cannot stand beside a mass murder and dare condone such actions.”
One of the many ironies of Vox Day’s writeup is this claim:
”If the West, and Norway, survive the ongoing clash of civilizations, Breivik will be considered its first hero.”
Human rights (and war laws) are values imparted as a direct result of the ascendancy of the West.
If a different value system had won the day, a person like Breivik wouldn’t just have to worry about “losing freedom” until the lenient term of his prison sentence expires. He’d be facing a much worse end (along with those related to him and any friends he might have, included in all likelihood).
To put this another way, the irony of terrorism (as compared to actual wars where soldiers are bound by war laws) should be self-evident because the modus operandi for such tactics depends on exploiting the goodwill of their adversaries.
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well, as I noted to IB, I can’t exactly comment on this Vox fellows posting as I don’t read that blog or writings nor am I familiar with him…and I’m assuming he is a him…
I was merely echoing some of her concern.
Yes, I am a strong advocate of Western Civilization…of its inception steeped in the melding of Jewish and Christian Law…laws that were originally Divine in Nature.
I think anyone who goes on a self imposed rampage in no way represent the will of God….but rather that of a deeply skewed view that is rooted in evil—
And as for Christians, or anyone for that matter, who seem to rationalize the mass murder of kids at a summer camp as some sort of heroic act of defending Western beliefs or is in some bizarre defense of a way of life…is absolutely crazy.
There is no argument in my mind for such an individual because clearly he was / is not sound of mind. He is no poster child of values.
War is a human conundrum.
War, Holy war, defense, offense…a result of our living in a fallen world.
I have often found it almost humorous that we actually have rules of engagement…rules implemented by the Geneva Convention of how to fight and even kill fairly…That we fight and kill but we must try to do so within a set of standards…
we have war crimes, crimes against humanity…but perhaps we should argue that war itself is a war crime against humanity.
But as I know we live in a fallen world, I know that man will always fight and vie for control. Defend and attack.
This earth is Satan’s realm. He walks this earth openly and freely.
Yet there are reasons for defense and we find that we of sound mind who believe in a democratic and civil society must defend that way of living as there are many who have been hell bent on taking that away.
Freedom brings responsibility–and as we know, freedom is far from free…
So it is a messy world and until Christ returns, we must do our best…
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Julie, I would “like” your post if I could (I don’t know how to do so without starting a blog…and that ship sailed a while back).
🙂
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Shame on him. Anders Breivik is a murderous monster.
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I hadn’t heard of this nut-job before, but this particular comment from the article brings up an important point:
Vox said: “If you don’t believe violence is a legitimate way of resisting invasion, if you don’t think that making war on those making war on you is permissible, that’s your prerogative, but your opinion is both ahistorical and irrelevant.”
This a faulty premise at its very core! It’s what theologian, Walter Wink, called the “myth of redemptive violence.” Theological, it’s actually the way of Cain, not Jesus. Ironically, the fact that Vox thinks that violence is a “relevant” and “historical” way to solve a problem not only shows his absolute ignorance of history, but a total rejection of Jesus’ teachings. He is saying Jesus is irrelevant. So, when has mass-murder and terrorism ever permanently solved anything? The only thing you can do with sociopathic ideologues who commit murder is remove them from society. Violence itself only escalates violence, creating an endless cycle of revenge and retaliation.
Blaise Pascal comes to mind with people like Vox: “Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction.”
It’s sad that, not only does he attract vulnerable weak-minded men, but that he is so ignorant of the Christianity he is dragging in the mud-hole with his misguided demagoguery.
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Thanks, Mel. I really appreciate your comment because I’ve actually had to debate this issue with people who I shouldn’t have to be debating it with at all. Cain,yes, good point. A few times I’ve said, “Am I my brother’s keeper,” is not a valid excuse, it is not prescriptive theology. To my great horror, some people actually believe it is.
Sadly, Vox is totally without excuse. Child from a Christian home, born again when he was 26, is certainly well read on theology, has even written books himself. I don’t like it when people are without excuse, I am a spiritual defense attorney, I work for the Greatest Advocate ever. I can plead anyone’s case. I can’t plead this guy’s case. He’s just flat out wrong and doing evil with full awareness of what he is doing.
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Amen, IB. He has no excuse. He may be well read on theology, but he doesn’t understand it at all. He may be able to point to examples of misguided distortions and contradictions to true Christian theology to excuse his behavior, but he truly has no theological leg to stand one. And, again, in total contradiction to Jesus’ teachings. He is following an ideology, not theology.
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Ah!…excuse my misguided iPhone’s version of what it thinks I want to say. It’s “stand on” not “stand one!” 🙂
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When the Bible says “thou shalt not kill” it means, thou shalt not murder. This does not include righteous warfare (WWII) against a great evil, nor does it include defense of our homes, our families, our country. However, when someone goes on a rampage knowingly killing INNOCENT PEOPLE, that is definitely not kosher with God. We have to consider that yes, David killed his ten thousands, but he was also not able to build the temple because he had shed blood in abundance.
I’m not totally aware of what Vox stands for, but I am fed up with all these pseudo-Christians who think calling themselves Christian is enough while they spout things that are contrary to the Holy Spirit.
My pastor preached on something like this–2 Timothy 3: 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 6For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Quoting scripture is all well and good if you keep it in context. It also has to be discerned by the SPIRIT.
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