I am indulging in a bit of sarcasm here, a rare luxury indeed. No, that isn’t true at all, I binge eat my sarcasm in frequent doses. I’m actually a cynic in recovery. Some days are worse than others.
Dalrock, our happily married Christian father, has a post up, “What Prager and Wilcox are selling”
Apparently Dalrock has some objections because “From the title alone you should be able to guess what Prager and Wilcox are selling here. They are selling marriage and fatherhood as a rite of passage into manhood, and specifically a vehicle for men to attain respect.”
Well, perish the thought. I mean, how truly dreadful! Who would say such a thing? To be fair, Dalrock admits there may be some positive things about this video, this series, but he goes on to mention Turd Flinging Monkey, and eventually declares, “Turd Flinging Monkey’s response is the most rational perspective. “
Oh absolutely Dalrock, because when ever confronted with some truth and beauty based on God’s word, versus the words of someone on the internet called “Turd Flinging Monkey,” always go with the Turd Flinging Monkey.
I’d cry if I thought it would help. I’d wail and lament and plea for people to chose God’s word first, if I thought it would do any good. Sadly, I doubt it would help at all, so I am left with nothing but mockery. Buddy, listen to yourself. Listen to how you make the beautiful things ugly! Your only mention of Christianity is how much contempt and hatred we allegedly have for fathers and how we tear down families. Good grief. Trying to drive men away from the church, away from marriage, away from God’s word, and right into the loving arms of a Turd Flinging Monkey is just, well, a somewhat unique dysfunction to bear witness to.
See, there's this thing called biology... 
I’m speechless. What a sad state. I can only pray that his following will fade away and he’ll be left mute before God.
Becky
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It is sad. Sadder still, this is the PG version of what is actually being said among this group following Dalrock’s lead. It gets uglier and uglier from there on out.
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I don’t know whether to pray God will have mercy on him, for all the people he may be leading astray, or to pray that God will judge him and stop him for all the blasphemy and harm he’s doing in God’s name.
Becky
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Ah, praying for justice, now there’s an interesting and delicate matter! One must be very careful there, because none of us want to bring justice down on our own selves, not really.
Mercy is usually a safe one, “Lord, soften those hard hearts, shake some of those minds awake, and grant these guys the same mercy and grace you’ve shown me.”
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Yep, I always struggle with the Psalms that call God to bring His wrath against the enemy. But in this instance, I think it might be God’s mercy that would stop Dalrock from writing more things dishonoring to God. Don’t know since I don’t read his blog. But it sounds like he needs to stop. He ought not misrepresent Jesus Christ.
Becky
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Rebecca LuElla Miller,
“I don’t know whether to pray God will have mercy on him, for all the people he may be leading astray, or to pray that God will judge him and stop him for all the blasphemy and harm he’s doing in God’s name.”
“Yep, I always struggle with the Psalms that call God to bring His wrath against the enemy. But in this instance, I think it might be God’s mercy that would stop Dalrock from writing more things dishonoring to God. Don’t know since I don’t read his blog. But it sounds like he needs to stop. He ought not misrepresent Jesus Christ.”
Have you watched the video Wilcox made for Prager University? It can be viewed at Wilcox video.
After you’ve watched it, tell me where the video gives “truth and beauty based on God’s word”. It doesn’t! It is about as secular of an argument for marriage as there can be.
I recommend that you (meaning everyone who reads this blog and comments) actually read what others write, rather than taking the word of others as to their actual positions and beliefs. After all, no one on the internet would ever misunderstand another’s words, or mischaracterize someone, would they?
You mention praying that God will have mercy. Perhaps you should keep that in mind before you make accusations of “blasphemy and harm he’s doing in God’s name.” After all, you state you don’t read his blog. Then just what are you basing your opinion on? Apparently, the word of IB and other commenters here. Why must you assume they are right? Really ask yourself that question. Why must you assume they are right?
Has IB been declared God’s special envoy regarding the Christian manosphere? Is it just possible that IB has a personal vendetta with Dalrock? Is it possible that she might be mischaracterizing him?
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Oh, IB, why do you indulge? Go have some ice cream, and praise God we have men who believe.
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Ah, I do praise God we have men who believe! And I praise Him for giving us ice cream too! Is God good or what? 🙂
But I just read a bit of uglyness from a couple of women, women mind you, self righteous, judgemental, and downright cruel to another woman. They don’t quote scripture, they quote Dalrock.
I want it known far and wide that that is not normal behavior from those who follow Christ, because people are deceived into believing it is. People think “Christians” and they don’t see me or you or any of the men, they see Dalrock and those two girls who are busy hissing and spitting “virtue” all over people.
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I agree. Which is why we must keep writing with love and compassion.
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Well I see you’re back the caring! Rested up? “)
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Ha! So true. 🙂
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I couldn’t get through more than minute of Monkey-boy’s video. His ‘I’m-oh-so-much-smarter-than-you’ tone just turned me off.
I don’t know what it is about the Gamecocks and this fascination they have with apes. I’ve seen occasional articles over the years where they’ve talked about male gorillas and their Alpha qualities. Tomassi’s avatar looks like he’s trying to be Tarzan or something.
The real problem that these guys have with Prager and Wilcox is that they don’t teach Game; and that makes them heretics.
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I guess apes and gorillas make sense, since they are all big fans of evo/psych theories, most of which originated from studying primates. Science has since gone on to disprove many of those ideas, showing that the things we thought we understood about animal behavior weren’t true at all.
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I don’t always agree with Dalrock but this time I did. The substance of that post was quite correct, even if one might find the tone of the comboxes distasteful.
“Man Up and Get Married” is very easy to say but it ignores reality. Women avoid marriage just as much as men, though I suspect for different reasons. People today in general, men and women, are much less likely to be psychologically prepared for marriage than a couple of generations ago, and many of them never will be. Scan the kids at your local community college and ask yourself how many of them look like a catch.
Marriage is only a benefit if you stay married. 50% of married couples divorce, and divorce results in poverty and chaos for all parties. The short term economic and social incentives for divorce however are in the woman’s favor so she almost always initiates, so men have less incentive to enter the contract.
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dpmonahan,
Congratulations! You can agree with Dalrock (even if only sometimes) and not get castigated by IB.
I am glad you see much truth in what Dalrock said about this. Note that no one else responded positively or negatively to your comment (except for a “like” from IB).
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Well, let’s keep this in perspective. Google “”Turd Flinging Monkey” and that will get you 48,000 hits. Google “God’s Holy Word” and that will get you 265,000 hits.
Seriously, the video is not a religious video. The focus is on academics, economics and sociology. We cannot justify marriage for those reasons.
What people forget or gloss over is that right makes might. When we do the right thing, we grow stronger. When we love and give of ourselves for those we love, we grow stronger. That video only hints at that, and Dalrock doesn’t get it either.
What matters isn’t a society that is failing marriage. What matters is that men and women are failing each other. When we don’t make a commitment to those we love and stick by that commitment, we fail to obey the commands of our God, and we suffer the consequences. When husbands and wives don’t cherish their love for each other, the rest of their lives become shallow and less meaningful. If everything we do, we do only for our self, nothing we do matters very much.
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Amen! Let’s hear it for keeping perspective.
And truly, marriage, relationships between men and women, really do help our lives to become more meaningful. We are well blessed and even though it may not go perfect all the time, I really do believe the design itself was intended to be pleasing to us. God is so good. He really doesn’t have to be, but He is. That alone is an amazing thing. God is good. We’d be in a world of hurt if we had an omnipotent Creator that didn’t even like us. 🙂
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I’m tempted to click the link and maybe even offer some back-up, but I don’t want to give Dalrock a view. From your mentions of him in the past I assumed he is an atheist. But now….. is he a hater who pretends to be a Christian?
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I’m afraid he really is a Christian. No need to go over there and try to chat with him, he just deletes anyone who tries to talk to him. But our voices can become louder, stronger, and we can work harder to make sure that people know Jesus Christ is about redemption and love, not hatred.
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amen.
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Julie,
“I’m afraid he really is a Christian. No need to go over there and try to chat with him, he just deletes anyone who tries to talk to him. But our voices can become louder, stronger, and we can work harder to make sure that people know Jesus Christ is about redemption and love, not hatred.”
I do not think that Dalrock “just deletes anyone who tries to talk to him”. I think it takes much more than simply disagreement to be “blocked”. However, I know that he has “blocked” some commenters for various reasons. If you’re willing to be reasonable (which does not mean that you agree with his opinion), I expect you would be allowed to comment without being blocked. But you are very likely to be treated with disdain, and, especially so if you are not able to be factual and logical in your comments. (I’m not claiming that men are always factual and logical, but it will help improve the odds that your comments will be “heard”.)
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Julie,
“I’m tempted to click the link and maybe even offer some back-up, but I don’t want to give Dalrock a view. From your mentions of him in the past I assumed he is an atheist. But now….. is he a hater who pretends to be a Christian?”
I recommend that you actually read what others write, rather than taking the word of others as to their actual positions and beliefs. After all, no one would ever misunderstand another’s words, or mischaracterize a blogger, would they? For example, you misunderstood and assumed that Dalrock is an atheist, which is not true.
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Well said IB – assuming it needs to be said and I believe you when you say it does/
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