Tomassi of Rational Male fame left me a comment here, and of course I cannot respond to him directly because he has banned me. I do of course object to his contemptuous tone and constant insults, as well as his attempts to keep me from responding. I also object to his rather passive/ aggressive, and dare I say, feminine style of speaking down about me at other blogs. However, the on going debate has actually been about the feminization of the church and how the Holy Spirit has allegedly been replaced by the feminine imperative.
“The reason you will never ‘win’ debating a willfully ignorant mind like that of Insanity’s is because her religious distemper can always fall back on the “no true Scotsman” argument. ‘Real’ Christians will never replace the Holy Spirit with the FI, yet this is precisely what we see happening in popular christian culture.”
First off, I don’t have distemper. Although I do bite sometimes, I’ve been vaccinated. Second of all, I actually married a true Scotsman. That bit of irrelevant info is a true scotsman. But third, I am only interested in “real Christians.” In fact, that is my very point, anyone who follows Christ is following Christ, not other people, not churches, and not some red pill blogger some where. It is a fact, “real Christians” will never replace the Holy Spirit with the female imperative. If one is instead following popular culture, than one is not actually following Christ. Popular culture is a train wreck of massive proportions, but popular culture is not Christ, it is not scripture, and certainly not the Holy Spirit.
“Dalrock has, for over half a decade, documented instance after instance of exactly the dynamic I described. There are so many examples of the insaturation of the feminine-imperative, so many personal and public accounts it’s an indictment of Insanity’s personal agenda when she ignorantly turns a blind eye to it. Either that or this shift has taken place so deftly she honestly can’t see it.”
First of all, Dalrock has spent half a decade lamenting and bemoaning the existence of women and encouraging men to stay away from the church and to wallow in endless bitterness and resentment about their miserable lot in life. Just as feminists endlessly lament the horrors of patriarchal religion, Dalrock endlessly laments the horrors of what he perceives to be matriarchal religion. And Atheists endlessly lament the horrors of the Emperor Constantine. So what? One’s personal perceptions are not always reality, nor are they truth. One will see what they choose to see and confirm their own biases by what they decide to focus on.
“That said, when I made the assertion that the Feminine Imperative has replaced the Holy Spirit, I don’t, of course, mean that in the literal sense that Insanity refuses to wrap her head around. What I mean is that the imperative has become part of church culture’s social doctrines. When you have high profile christians proclaiming that women are “closer to God than men ever could hope to be” you start to see how the FI is becoming more and more comfortable in exercising its influence more openly.”
I’ve never heard that “women are closer to God than men ever could hope to be.” I’ve heard that, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.“ Galatians 3:28. I’ve heard that men were created in God’s image. I’ve heard that Adam said women were bone of my bone, and flesh of my flesh. I’ve heard that men are the sons of a most High God, so favored and valued Christ died on the cross for us. I’ve heard that men are to love their wives like Christ loves the church.
“When your doctrine revolves around, soft, malleable, men raised to defer and serve women, to pedestalize their mysterious “more godly” wonder, and hope against hope one will deign to tolerate a poor, bewildered christian man (who must forgive all her past indiscretions), you can see how this social hierarchy starts. When you have christian men shaming and deriding (AMOGing) other christian men for not carrying that water as a sexual strategy then you can see how the FI has infiltrated the church with the “lets you and him fight” social convention.”
Ah, so much wounding and offended pride in that one paragraph, one hardly knows where to start. All Christians are to have soft, malleable hearts, and to be in service to Christ and to one another. One must have surrendered some pride and been willing to let Christ into their heart, just to avail themselves of salvation. He is the potter, we are the clay. One must be malleable and allow Him to work within us.
Men try to pour things into the abyss of their souls all the time, money, power, drugs, status, sex, women. That is not Christ, that is the world. If one is trying to pedestalize their mysterious “more godly” wonder, one is engaging in a kind of goddess worship and idolatry, not following Christ.
“What Insanity is either too stupid or too invested to acknowledge is that, in a spiritual sense, the Holy Spirit is still what it’s always been, but the FI has appropriated the doctrinal concept of the Holy Spirit in a cultural sense in order to effect its ends. High profile religious men then pick up this appropriation to effect their own sexual strategy by using it as a means to identify better with the women they hope will improve their status with.”
First of all, the Holy Spirit is not an “it.” The Holy Spirit is a person, one we can actually grieve by disrespecting.
The way you speak of the Female Imperative, FI, becomes a bit disturbing, as if “it” were actually a person, some odd form of artificial intelligence that has now “appropriated the doctrinal concept of the Holy Spirit.” Frankly, that really creeps me out, and ironically it assigns women far more power than we actually have, the power to actually supplant the Holy Spirit? No, just no.
“So yes, women are more Holy than men, more close to God than men, because to suggest otherwise is to invite women’s disapproval. Solution: equate the Feminine Imperative with the will of the Holy Spirit. It’s important to remember that Christian men are every bit as complicit in establishing this as the women who both enjoy it and expect that Godly superiority to men (being better conduits to God) as a feminine entitlement.”
To suggest otherwise is to invite women’s disapproval? You mean some men have allowed the approval of women to become more important to them than the approval of God Himself? And this is somehow the fault of women? Ai yi yi.
There is a solution to that kind of religious envy, that fear that women may be more Holy than men, and that is to get off your behind, lead the way, and show her how following Christ is actually done.
Linda Lee said:
Good post. And thanks for the reminder. I’m overdue for my distemper booster shot.
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ColorStorm said:
Hate to tell you this friend, but those sites do not deserve your attention to flatter their audience. That appears to be a lost cause, as altruistic as you may be. Precedence? Well kinda sorta, to borrow from a man if I could use a long leash of liberty.
Pilate. As in ‘washing his hands.’ Yep, go into the kitchen and douse your hands with wd40 followed by Dawn grease cutting…. the oil so you remember the odor, and the soap to wash it away. That’s some toxic stuff by those guys, and all they do is drag your good name down down down.
Cast those doings down! 😉 Other than that, dare I say good post? Nah, that will only encourage the theft of your energy by the boys club. (if they were men of principal, they would have no claim with you). By the way, I noticed immediately the Holy Spirit as ‘it.’ Uh, nope, and you also picked that up right away.
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St. Thomas More Academy said:
ColorStorm, Hear, hear. Why bother, indeed? We have better things to do than waste our time on people such as this.
Insanity, you have a lot to offer; don’t waste it on those who simply wait to see if they can insult you some more. They don’t want to hear from us because we are in the trenches and can offer some day-to-day insights that directly challenge their preconceived opinions of us (and some of these guys are married, think of what their wives probably have to deal with on an ongoing basis….and we can give thanks it’s not us!)
Let’s give thanks we’re married to the great men we have, and move on with our lives. You’ve got a very interesting blog and there are a lot of people who will read and comment and if they may disagree with you, will do so with courtesy and dignity. Don’t waste your time on those who can’t or won’t.
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silenceofmind said:
Gosh! I read a few lines over at the Tomassi site and my eyes started to bleed.
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Wally Fry said:
“First of all, the Holy Spirit is not an “it.” The Holy Spirit is a person, one we can actually grieve by disrespecting.”
First, thanks for pointing that out. The Holy Spirit is NOT some force we can mold to our will. That is a blaspeme.
Great post, these are always very informative to me about things I know nothing about
Finally, I agree with ColorStorm. You are making yourself nuts with these people.
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ColorStorm said:
@ wally
Just think of how low the spiritual deprivation must be to find fault with our host here, and her honey laced, humorous, witty, necessarily stinging at times, (but dripping with charm) and spot on insights into things above and below.
Seriously. But maybe its as simple as jealousy, but one thing is certain, this gal ain’t nuts……..unless the spirit of God could be rightfully be charged as a drunk………yeah, good luck with that huh….
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Wally Fry said:
Yes and I recall they said Peter and his friends were drunk the day of Pentecost huh
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ColorStorm said:
Touche-
would to God I was so drunk……………….
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Wally Fry said:
Now that’s the truth!
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insanitybytes22 said:
Ha! You two are too funny. Ahh, to be drunk on the Holy Spirit, what a blessing that is. There’s a saying, “He who has the Most High, needs no other high.” Words of wisdom there. If you really wish to boggle your brain, “I am the way and the truth and life” is sure to deliver. 😉
Thank you for your kind words Colorstorm, they are much appreciated.
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Ashley said:
I have found that it’s best to respond to any turds like that on your own space, as you have done here. Force them to debate you on your turf.
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Emily said:
You can either serve money or you can serve… women?
So women have replaced God?
How did he get that idea?
And does he not realize the irony of that statement? My Lord.
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Emily said:
Oh no he’s a Catholic. Oh Lord! 😦
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insanitybytes22 said:
Ha! I’m sorry, Emily. 😉
Catholic, protestant, evangelicals, or red pills, it doesn’t matter, by their fruits you shall know them. Honest to goodness, keep your eyes on Christ and not on the labels people wear or you’ll just drive yourself crazy.
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Emily said:
I understand Insanity…
It’s just disheartening to have such people follow the same Church as me. That’s not what Catholicism is… How can you call yourself a Catholic and still believe those things?! Has he not been taught about The Holy Mother, who was a woman, who God chose to deliver us our Savior? Has he not been taught about all the saints who female? Has he not read the works of all our recent Popes?
The Catholic Church is one of the most pro-woman institutions in the world. This guy, Donal, is simply not a Catholic…
What frustrates me is that these people dislike the modern-day Church. WHY claim you are Catholic then? Ugh.
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insanitybytes22 said:
It really is disheartening, but somebody smart pointed out that all this yuck we see is just evidence of sin and our need for a Savior. This is why Christ died on the cross for us. This is why God is God, and we are not.
Also, “upon this rock I shall build my church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” All in good humor here, but Christianity and the church has survived and flourished for thousands of years, in spite of the best efforts of some Christians. That is evidence of God’s protection and intervention.
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Emily said:
God, I need my own blog for my rants xD
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insanitybytes22 said:
You can rant here anytime, Emily. 😉
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