I missed the big kerfluffle over the word “policeman” versus the more politically correct term “police officer”, but apparently there was a food fight over this atrocious, Very Bad, No Good, sexist wordplay that shames all of womankind and our ancestors too.
So Clouds Moving In has linked to me a couple of times, absolutely begging for some attention, also known as “baiting.” She promptly denies baiting and playing games which gave me a chuckle, because my dear, such is the nature of women! Embrace and enjoy for goodness sakes, there’s nothing shameful about polite baiting especially in the blogging world. Shocking I know, but most interactions between people involve some sort of game and that’s not necessarily a bad thing. So I’ll take your non-bait- bait and play the game.
So sexism, gender oppression, discrimination, etc, etc, women shouldn’t be made to feel bad about being fireman, policeman, I mean policepeople, firepeople, and her gender should never be mentioned. It’s irrelevant, we don’t want to know……but don’t even dare think to imply she’s a man because we really do want to know! We want everyone to know that she is totally equal in all things, with the whole world happily singing, “Anything he can do I can do better!”
Alrighty than.
However, we soon come to this gem which completely flipped my cookie and got my hackles up. That’s hyperbole, by the way, in truth all it did was cause a little twitch in my left eyebrow.
Here is the Great Offense:
A little history lesson…In olden days, many women did not work…
Whoa now, hold up. What kind of pampered, elitist privilege did you descend from? In the olden days women did not work? Even your pampered royal princesses worked. Women from all walks of life have always worked. Guess what we call childbirth? Labor. I don’t know about your people, but mine have always worked. When they weren’t picking cotton and fruit, they were canning, preserving food, nursing sick men, caring for children, endless cooking, cleaning, serving their communities. Later both my grandmas worked in the shipyards as Rosie the Riveters. Women have worked since the day they set foot on this earth. Look back in history, you’ll often find us in agriculture, factories, teaching, birthing, and community service. Mothers, wives, daughters. The very definition of who women are has always revolved around who we invest our labors in. Labors.
It’s actually rather sexist and demeaning to claim, in olden days, many women did not work. What do you suppose women were doing before feminism came along and enlightened us all, lounging around on pillows being fed dates? Also, if that were true, what kind of pathetic woman hating ideology came along to mess that all up for us??
I jest, you know. Very few women in human history actually spent their days lounging around on a sofa eating bon bons. Women have always worked, often in a division of labor that was well suited for us. We certainly can and have fought fires, but it made a lot more sense for the bigger, stronger, faster gender to do so. Like it or not, you really have to be an exceptional woman who trains extensively in order to pack a hundred pounds up and down a ladder, let alone 200 pounds. So traditionally it simply made a lot more sense for men to do the heavy lifting.
I’m sorry if that pricks the pride, but it is what it is. Women have multiple skills and talents of our very own, but we do tend to come up short there on the heavy lifting. That’s not such a bad thing, sometimes the best things of all come in small packages.
In truth this relentless quest for equality, rather then elevating women into a more respectable position, actually seeks to erase and demean us. Look at how the endless labors of generations of women have just been erased in a single moment. In olden days, many women did not work…
What you really mean is that you value the work of men so much more than you value the work of women, that if a woman is not doing a traditionally male defined job with the exact same skill as a man, then she isn’t doing anything of value at all. That is exactly what those words really mean.
One last thing, “But by highlighting someone’s gender in a job we continue to reinforce the idea that one sex is automatically the ‘right’ one for the job, and that we expect to see them in that role.”
It’s called biological reality. It is simply the truth and the nature of who we are. I realize we’re now living in a world where men can become wives, where two men can actually marry. We’re working hard on creating artificial wombs and providing men the apparatus to breast feed. Heck, we can even surgically alter your gender. Soon men shall be giving birth and women shall be out pumping the septic tank and cleaning the gutters.
Or perhaps we’ll be edited out entirely, deemed to have no necessary role in the biological equation at all, perceived as nothing more then smaller weaker versions of men, forced to compete on the field of so called “equality.”
An equality where our own sisters have already nixed us as having no innate worth and value of our very own.
Michelle Styles said:
I always link back to the persons blog. Not for “baiting” but because if I have something to say about you someone I have respect for I never say it behind their back. 🙂
Just like the other day I linked to your blog and the original. Why? Because I didn’t say anything there I wouldn’t say to you in person. I find it common courtesy.
/shrug
Just my two cents..carry on
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Tricia said:
Hi Michelle, good point about linking back to someone out of respect and to show you are not talking behind their backs and if the post holds an opposing idea the bloggers are arguing about, even better as I think that’s how ideas evolve and minds get changed. The key words are respect and in good faith though and the links, at least the one I know of that IB mentions, was not this at all. It was just meant as insult in which case linking it was asking for a response.
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Michelle Styles said:
It is also very important to first start more debate or your idea of difference by pointing out your respect for the other bloggers. I flat out stated in my opinion that I really like IB I also said that I find her smart and well thought courteous I told other bloggers on my blog why I like to read her blog and why I value her opinion and when we disagree why I believe that the two of us can have a reasonable and rational discourse. and then I went on to quote her, and the other blog and to discuss the points that I absolutely agreed upon and the points that I took some exception with and I think I did it in a very respectful manner as well I really tried to and I just think that that’s the right and respectful thing to do. But I do agree I just cannot move forward without discussion discord and even times debate or argument. but in the end it has to be civil.
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Tricia said:
Michellle, just to be clear I was not referencing any of your links in my comment. I’ve seen yours and they are done well. It’s part of blogger camaraderie to do ping backs and I partake in them too. Boy would our little on line community be boring without opposing views! Some though (not you!) are not honest as to their intentions which burns my beans.
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Michelle Styles said:
Oh cool. Sometimes since English is my fourth language I don’t read things quite right.
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Tricia said:
That’s ok, English is my first language and I don’t always get it right either!
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kindredspirit23 said:
Oh, I hope not. For sexually-based reasons of my own (very prejudiced, I might add) I don’t ever want to live in a world devoid of women. Also, you equality buffs who are trying so hard to get dresses and skirts removed from general wear, okay with not making it mandatory, but I LIKE see a woman in shorts or a short skirt…Just sayin’
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Belladonna Took said:
So if they don’t want women to wear skirts, how do they feel about kilts, then? And the male version of kaftans? So stupid! I wear jeans 95% of the time because they’re comfortable and also I have thick ankles, but sometimes I want a dress!
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kindredspirit23 said:
My point exactly, not that I want a dress, it’s …well…you understand…
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Belladonna Took said:
EXACTLY. It’s about getting to choose for my own self, based on my own mood and my own plans for any given day. When a movement, however worthy, becomes more important than the people the movement is intended to serve, then it’s time to say “Oh Hell NO!”
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kindredspirit23 said:
Not mention, that in my opinion and in some way, nearly each and every woman is beautiful and should be allowed to be how she chooses to be…period.
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K. Q. Duane said:
It’s pathetic how easily women were convinced by radical feminism to despise their own blessed nature.
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insanitybytes22 said:
I so agree. Women bring so many beautiful things to the table and it’s a real shame to watch that all get washed away.
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Michelle Styles said:
True we bring much beauty. But why do names have to be male superior? I don’t personally take offense to policeman but for those who do what is wrong with the term police officer or officer of the law? The term policeman is seen by some as offensive because it is rooted in gender stereotypes. Again I don;t care about a label for a job or title. I would gladly be chairman of the board myself. It’s a title and doesn’t define me or my sex. In the same moment I understand the otherside of it. /shrug
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K. Q. Duane said:
The radical, second-wave feminist “word game” always seeks to diminish the contributions of thousands of Christian men who protected, successfully ran and advanced, our country as God-fearing policemen, firemen, chairmen, etc., for hundreds of years. These short-sighted, anti-Christian, lesbian-led, radical feminists do not want men to be seen as having contributed anything of import to our society as compared with the recent influx of feminist females. They seek to undermine Christian men’s historical importance to, and influence on, our culture and this is just one of dozens of ways that they subtly, but treacherously, seek to accomplish this goal. On the surface, their word game appears to be an innocuous request in their pursuit of “equality” for women, when in fact it is not! It is just one more example of their efforts to advance their inequity plan. It is instead a part of a larger, and more sinister, plan to undermine, and eventually irradiate, Christian men’s positive influence on our country, including what they stand for, but more importantly, what they won’t stand for! And, this tactic has absolutely NOTHING to do with their espoused pursuit of “equality” for women, but it instead, has EVERYTHING to do with their seeking inequality for Christian men. Don’t be fooled, because if they succeed, Christian America, as we know it, will cease to exist, as it crumbles under its own debauched and dysfunctional weight sans the strength, courage and tenacity of Christian men’s leadership to fight evil. We must always respect the vast, and innumerable, contributions our brave, loyal, respectful and trustworthy Christian men provided to us in the past, but just as importantly, now, and in the future, and we as women must reject ANYTHING, and anyone, that seeks to destroy their importance, or positive influence, in our lives. To do otherwise, will be at our own peril.
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Wally Fry said:
Yep…ya’ll sure counterbalance our ugliness so well…I thank God for you all every day and even more that you aren’t like me.
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insanitybytes22 said:
LOL, stuff and nonsense Wally. Men are not ugly at all, well most of them anyway. There are a couple of real lunkheads in the world, but for the most part men have a value and worth all of their own. The world actually becomes a very ugly place without you.
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Wally Fry said:
Ok…good point…probably bad word usage I think. Not ugly…just not you all. Different. But that is exactly the wonderful point isn’t it?
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Tricia said:
Well I think you know IB that I could not agree more with your post. It’s probably best you were gone as things as the realm of ridiculous.was quickly reached.
I think it needs to be said, yet again, that a woman cop asking you call her a policewoman as opposed to policeman is perfectly acceptable and most will oblige. It’s the automatic assumption by some though that using words ending in man or men is sexist and the demand that male gender words be Xed out entirely. There is a real movement to do this and that’s where my beef lays. It’s demeaning to women by assuming we are too frail and dumb to understand what the person meant and it leads us to take offense where there is none which further divides an already divided society and takes our eyes off more important and real issues women face. Plus there’s that whole speech suppression is the quick road to tyranny thing I worry about.
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insanitybytes22 said:
I agree, there are so many contradictions woven in there, it boggles the mind. The perception is that being lumped under the label of “man” is somehow a great offense and yet that is precisely what we are led to competitively seek! And if women are so strong and empowered to do just exactly that, why in the world would we need our language policed and edited so we don’t faint?
What we say about both men and women in this politicized world of ours is really pathetic and demeaning to both genders.
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Tricia said:
Sometimes the sheer madness of it all does indeed make me feel like keeling over…..;)
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Paul said:
Well said IB.
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irtfyblog said:
“Soon men shall be giving birth and women shall be out pumping the septic tank and cleaning the gutters.”
I really hope and pray that NEVER happens!
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bluebird of bitterness said:
Feminists are always trying to repeal human nature, not to mention corrupting the language for their own purposes. I’m so thankful that I outgrew feminism before it had completely ruined my life.
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Eric said:
My great-great-grandmother married and moved out West to a pioneer settlement and was pregnant with her 12th child when her husband got killed in the war—with 7 underaged children at home. I’d love to hear some femihag tell her that she didn’t do any work.
The femihags have invaded male occupations, which also undermine a masculine need for significance and fulfillment. That’s why so many males today are worthless bums who want women to support them AND keep house while they play video games and do drugs all day.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Good point, Eric.
As to men who are bums and sit around all day, I think that’s partially true. Men really do need to feel needed, to have significance to feel fulfillment. I think fems have done a lot of harm there, because when women can do anything men can do, why bother to do anything at all? It plays into sexual competition and begins to feel demeaning.
When we were little we used to compete with the boys all the time, LOL, but not with the intent to win and completely annihilate them, even though it was possible at the time. Even children recognize that boys like to win sometimes, that they are defining themselves based on their performance. When you take away their ability to perform, you take away their motivation.
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Eric said:
The doubly bad part is that often women CAN’T do the work. So the social engineers lower the standards which also give men the feeling of lesser importance. Like Obama’s stupid plan to make female commandoes. If anybody can be an Army Ranger, what’s so special about becoming one?
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Eric said:
Actually the kind of competition girls engage in with boys is biological—it’s a way of fitness testing males for dominance. But the social engineers are trying to stamp out masculinity even in childhood.
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insanitybytes22 said:
I agree with you, Eric, I’ve been observing that for sometime now. It’s maddening. Little boys are really pushed back into a corner, often medicated for being too active, molded into never perceiving themselves as being any different from girls. My husband and I sometimes speak of the things we did as children and no doubt if we grew up today, he’d be in jail and I’d be in an institution. I feel bad for kids these days, their natural healthy behavior is being socially engineered right out of them. Parents are arrested these days for letting their kids walk to the store alone or play with plastic guns. You cannot show any signs of aggression or competition.
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Eric said:
It occurred to me also that men have a natural fear of insignificance and boys who haven’t this fear beaten out of them by the time they reach young manhood often turn to gangs, Jihadism, or White Supremacist movements to get the sense of significance back. All of those groups openly despise modern culture and welcome men of action into their ranks who want to fight for a cause greater than themselves. In the past, those were the types of boys that society turned into the best soldiers, policemen, special agents, sailors, rangers and other high-risk occupations. But now those channels are closed and they fight as enemies of society.
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insanitybytes22 said:
It’s a real mess, Eric. So the boys, lacking male role models, run off to join their gangs and the teen age girls thug chase the jihadists. So what could possibly go wrong here, right??
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Eric said:
LOL—in Europe, even the political leadership is starting to wake up to what could go wrong. Most of those countries find themselves about two generations away from becoming Islamic Republics themselves, with Sharia Law and everything. Nature takes its course on communities just like on individuals, and effeminate societies end up submitting to masculine ones.
Multiculturalism might sound good in academic drawing-rooms, but the consequences in real life aren’t so much fun.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Speaking of playing games, it sure seems like people prefer to hide in the shadows mocking and ridiculing rather then coming out into the daylight. Still waiting for Zande to show himself, still waiting for RoughSeas. As is rather typical in the world, people are always so big and bad on their own turf or when doing a drive by insult, but ask them to come out into the sunlight and have a proper chat, and you never see them again 😉
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siriusbizinus said:
Seeing as I haven’t seen you over on her blog, I suppose your comment cuts both ways, IB. Especially considering the different rhetoric on this post and on the other post.
Not everyone who reads your blog has forgotten the English language. I think what you are doing here is sad.
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insanitybytes22 said:
I’ve pinged her a few times. Considering the number of times I’ve ended up as a negative part of their conversation, I think we can conclude that they are well aware of me.
“I think what you are doing here is sad.”
Sad is a subjective and vague term, Sirius. If you want to talk about something you’ll have to give me more to work on than that.
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siriusbizinus said:
The fact that you have pinged her a few times, have failed to comment directly to her in any of her posts that you mention, and then make snide comments about how she refuses to have a discussion is what I am finding sad.
It takes 2 people to have a conversation, IB. At the very least, you could stop pretending that you’re trying to have one.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Oh please! I have been the subject of much ridicule, hostility and nasty comments and still I persist in trying to have a two way conversation, so don’t try to imply I’m the one failing to communicate here.
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siriusbizinus said:
I apologize if you think I’m implying that.
I outright said it.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Oh, well than, you be wrong. I love a proper chat over these issues, would welcome some discussion, and the fact that I’ve gotten some 75 views from Rough Seas place this morning alone, indicates to me people are more than aware that this post exists.
I don’t force anybody into a conversation, Sirius. It’s always their choice. Some people prefer to just mock from afar. That’s their right.
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siriusbizinus said:
What’s stopping you from posting a comment on her blog?
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mrteague said:
Thanks for translating femi-speak. Several women I know & respect have helped me see the anti-feminine nature of feminism. Your ironic approach to the subject nicely highlghts the absurdities we find ourselves in when ideology conflicts with biology.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Thank you. I appreciate your kind words. Ideology conflicting with biology, that’s it precisely. Needless to say, I am a fan of biology, so I just hate seeing it replaced with contradictory ideology.
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Barry said:
I think it boils down to what one means by “equality”. If it means equal opportunity and being treated equally, then I’m all for it. If it means being the same, then that’s a different matter.
I actually like the idea of using gender specific names for roles for the minority gender where it is assumed that role is the domain of the other. It points out the role can be undertaken successfully by that gender if he/she wishes to do so.
For example, In the thirty three years I was an I.T. engineer, I was one of about 150 employees, all of whom were male, except one, who worked in the role for two years. By identifying her gender it opened the eyes of the public that the role could be undertaken by women. I’ve been out of the industry for fifteen years, and while it is still an almost exclusively male dominated domain, there are now a few women entering. Until such time as women are better represented, I will still use a female identifier for women engineers.
The same goes for kindergarten teachers. It’s a role here which is almost entirely the role of women, and which society assumes is gender specific. By mentioning the gender of male teachers, it opens the eyes of the public that men too can successfully undertake that role. And in a society with so many single parent families, I’d like to see more men in roles where children are involved.
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lumenuniverse said:
i’d rather a world run by women then these half balled pieces of shit that pass for men these days supposedly running shit! woman have always made the best police officers the best fire fighters the best damn high priestesses. fuck the bible was written by a man and they got it all wrong! the only two true things in their are let their be light and feel free to use the plants bearing seeds as you see fit! snakes aren’t even bad that was just some half man shit going to print the entirety of organized religion is a joke! if you want to be a real man learn to read instruction manuals so its done right the first time unless you have real skills! which anyone who shuns manuals never had to begin with in the first place! this planet needs a woman’s touch again thats about it. We need to stop placing men in the high positions of society they are all scared little chicken shits running for their own egos and wholly owned by something more evil then them! it’s sad and pathetic really! just like certain male bloggers who seek to keep the bad patterns going! i wont name names that guy already eats himself and his marriage alive over his bullshit! I really liked this blog entry good job! it’s concise and to the point with out any whining! which is more then i can say for the most world around me! women have always worked harder then men who the fuck cleans and butchers shit after lazy men hunt women, who makes homes work usually women or in the odd case a metro sexual city slicker that can’t pull in money for the home, who was it that used to run the old religion women who was it that has worked harder then any man ever did for their wealth and still finds time to make people smile women so fuck the current power scheme its corrupted beyond belief! this is why i throw bibles at people, and tell em its all man made bullshit! the only men i am proud of is vikings cause frankly we had equality before it was even a word in todays pop culture like since the dawn of time basically and our gods have always favoured the women more! cause they made the nine realms and protected midgar from the trolls and yet the men weep when we release the frost giants from purgatory we trapped them in. No wonder people keep trying to put that damn hammer back in real mens hands while they cower in fear in their hidey holes!
thats why actual men are a dyeing breed and all thats usually around is a bunch of date rapist and little boys in a mans skin
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insanitybytes22 said:
LOL, well there’s some righteous venting! I suppose the world does have a way of ticking one off sometimes.
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lumenuniverse said:
I’m just trying to save the world one human at a time! Glad people are starting to wise up!
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ColorStorm said:
Childbirth: labor 😉
Eating bon boms 😉
Made more sense for men to do the heavy lifting……….;)
Ok so if a woman did not ‘work,’ what in God’s name did she do?
Keep me far from the clutches of a woman who cannot sweep a floor, or a man for that matter…………
well handled here ib22 😉
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insanitybytes22 said:
Thanks, ColorStorm.
That reminds me of the old joke about a grocery store owner trying to hire someone with a college degree and he keeps asking, “yes, but how long will it take me to teach you how to sweep a floor??”
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madblog said:
“What you really mean is that you value the work of men so much more than you value the work of women , that if a woman is not doing a traditionally male defined job with the exact same skill as a man, then she isn’t doing anything of value at all. That is exactly what those words really mean.”
Oh, amen sister. How did we so easily swallow that demeaning pill? How stupid could we be?!
The whole foundation of anything called feminist is this–even the nice reasonable “Christian” kind–that our work has no value or meaning and so we want to be little men. They’ve nearly succeeded in wiping out women altogether.
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Michelle Styles said:
No the original foundation of feminists was equality in the vote and under the law. It at one time had a purpose. Today’s feminist agenda (from those who claim to speak for feminists so not the general rank and file) has gotten lost to political ideals like calling republicans woman haters because they say birth control isn’t a right. Actually it’s not a right. Should it be more access for women who are poor. Probably but that doesn’t make it a right. Feminists today (the leadership) seem to be more interested in bashing men then any true equality for women or for women who actually suffer under inequality. It’s said these same feminists who have power even in the UN choose to bash men and demand superiority rather than make any effort to help other women of the world.
🙂 You are right when you talk about it’s foundation today but inaccurate when discussing it’s original intent and purpose. BTW: today’s version of feminists is also why I am not a feminist. I don’t hate men and I prefer to shine the light on true injustice against women than to waste my breath and energy beating down otherwise decent men.
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