I speak of Josh Butler’s article in The Gospel Coalition, called “Sex Won’t Save You (But It Points to the One Who Will)”
No, you should not click the link to read it. It offended my soul on so many levels. Now that I have calmed down a bit and sorted it all out, it still offends my soul, but at least I can show some good humor about it all.
It’s being described by assorted people in the Big Eva influencing world as, “the magnum opus of the gospel.” For those who don’t know “magnum opus” means “great work” in Latin, giving rise to several quips about, “good grief, please don’t try to make this thing Catholic!” Darkly humorous how you can just add some Latin words to make something sound more official and more doctrinal.
I really, really love doctrine, but I so dislike the word “doctrine” because it reminds me of the word “latrine.” The latrine is also where many people’s alleged “doctrine” belongs, so those words really are related in more ways then one.
Josh Butler hasn’t really done anything wrong all on his own, he just said out loud the parts that a good deal of the protestant evangelical community seem to secretly believe anyway. It’s blasphemous, vulgar, and really demeaning to the Lord. By extension, it also happens to be really demeaning towards women.
People are probably tired of hearing my laments about Pastor Wilson, but many moons ago he went and proclaimed that the job of men was to “penetrate and colonize,” with a bunch of sexualized gospel language all heavily infused with testosterone. It was offensive, rude, and not appropriate. Doubly awful because as a pastor he was implying these things somehow align with the word of God.
The point here being, Josh Butler is not just an aberration that sprung up ex nihilo. This stuff has been going on for years, decades even. It should come as no surprise that Josh can now write, “Christ penetrates his church with the generative seed of his Word…” and get himself a book deal and a seat on the Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics.
Yes, that kind of language and imagery about the Lord really does offend my sensibilities. It also offends me as a female because in this description of both sex and the gospel, I’ve been left out of the equation entirely, except as an insignificant stage prop.
Part of the problem perhaps is Josh’s very myopic, self absorbed perception of sex as “mutual self-giving.” Well yes that could be true, but there seems to be only one “self” involved in his little scenario. That’s not actually intimacy with another person.
Apparently Josh was Divinely inspired, because allegedly his magnum opus is exactly the precise same thing the Apostle Paul had in mind when he wrote about the mystery of men and women. Perhaps this is why the Apostle Paul went on to say it is probably best not to marry, no doubt having just given thought to the well being and mental health of his sisters in Christ?
Besides heresy, besides offending my delicate sensibilities, besides feeling as if much the evangelical world really does believe the role of women is somehow limited to being a human toilet, I also think it’s really unhealthy for the church at large to perceive herself as a passive recipient simply engaging in non participatory act of “mandated hospitality, ” because God said.
We of the church are the female in the Biblical equation, we are the bride. How you perceive and define “women” is going to be directly related to how you present His bride to the world and eventually to Him. It matters a great deal.
It’s pop culture affirming to talk about the alleged “feminized church” but just for an anecdote, I’ve talked to many men who already avoid the church because of it’s pornification of the gospel. They talk about how contemporary modern worship music is really just “boyfriend music” and how pastors will sometimes drop a distasteful comment about their “smoking hot wife,” and how the whole thing sometimes feels weird and creepy, infused with sexual undercurrents that make them feel very uncomfortable.
Conversely we also have the very woke church here, with TV adds running constantly that clearly indicate some of us are actually worshiping the pastor’s homosexual relationship far more then anything else. Everyone is wearing rainbow teeshirts and the pastor explains that this is a good church because they support his relationship with his new found husband. That is another kind of cult built around a pastor’s sexuality.
It’s the same darn thing as the more neo-Calvinist young narcissists who can’t seem to stop talking about their own sex lives! It’s not really the politics, it’s not really the doctrine, it’s that I simply don’t want to just watch you admire yourself in the mirror and tell me how awesome you are. This is not “mutual self-giving” at all, or perhaps it is, once again involving only one “self.” The job of the congregation apparently, is to just passively engage in compliant hospitality, making space for an incredibly myopic and large……ego.
With all good humor here, people will probably now clutch their pearls and claim I’m being too graphic, vulgar, I’m falsely accusing these men, taking them out of context, making them look bad. I should provide cover for their flaws, not address these things publicly and potentially embarrass them, all while their very own articles and books are being published and released to an audience so much larger then mine!
I’m not the one letting the cat out of the bag here. They have actively promoted these things, exposed their own darn selves. I’m just saying, nope people, not acceptable. This is what they are saying in their own words, this is what is (or has) become their doctrine and will proceed to become the doctrine of many others. Well…stop it. It’s all wrong and it hurts many people.
I totally forgive Josh Butler. I mean, the poor kid, where are his mentors, where are his older brothers to guide him, to reign him in a bit? This whole desire for celebrity pastors, for book deals, for fame and fortune is really eroding our values and elevating people to positions they simply aren’t ready for.
All in good humor here, I’m not angry at all, in fact, I’ve had to just hold back on employing dozens of sexual puns myself, because after reading that article, the quips just write themselves. It will be weeks before I can say, “the most Holy place” with a straight face.
Speaking of which, one of the euphemisms for sex in the Bible was actually laughter. Sarah even says, “God has brought me laughter. All who hear about this will laugh with me.” It’s a far more sophisticated analogy then Josh offers.
Many people, both men and women, boys and girls, have experienced sexual abuse. Some have even made idols out of sex and devalued their own selves, the point being Jesus needs to remain a safe place for them, a non sexual refuge, a place of healing. He sticks closer then a Brother, He is a good, good Father, the Great Physician, all roles that suggest complete trust and safety, not the risk of potential sexual abuse.
More “new calvinists” trying to be “edgy” and “engage with the culture” at their own level. Their taking their cues from people like Wilson and that Mark Driscoll jerk that moved down here to arizona. They must have forgotten the 11th commandment “thou shalt not be a D*ck”.
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LOL! I like your 11th commandment. I’ve had to remember that one myself. People can get on your last nerve, but just the same we’re called to not be a jerk.
It’s tragic that some people are so busy trying to engage the culture, because honestly when I look around, so many people are actually longing for some tradition, stability, and freedom from the “edgy.”
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Amen and amen AGAIN, my dear sister in Christ! Perhaps you should remove the hyperlink to keep some of us from accidentally clicking on it and him thinking he has something good to say….Then if someone REALLY wants to read it, they have to search it and maybe they will fort what they are searching for and he will disappear into oblivion!
Oh my, I am becoming more and more ready to PREACH! I just still think women should not preach to men, only women. I am so grateful my sister-in-law/love/Christ is my mentor and BFF although we never lived near each other over our 47-year relationship. She has been a student of God’s word for some 33 years while I was a bit slower in developing a DAILY habit until nearly 20 years ago. I have been in intense training by the Lord for the past three years after a crisis of faith….So I am about ready to come out swinging. I just wish I could learn to not be so verbose….As a retiree, I am busier than ever. I guess life gets more complicated in the 6 th decade!
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LOL! They seem to have edited out the more graphic parts of that link and are now telling people to just go buy the book, so they must have received a lot of other complaints.
I’m so glad you’re out there preaching! Our lives all by themselves will, “preach.” Some of my most amazing moments with the Lord have happened in the grocery store, on the street, in unexpected places when I wasn’t even looking, but I just crossed paths with someone right when I needed them most.
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Amen again. I just have to be sensitive to the prodding of the Holy Spirit!!! God is opening a lot of doors because I was one of the Jesus people after the Jesus revolution started in California!!! My husband and I met in ministry, where his brother and my future sister-in-law met as well!!! Hopefully, I will have a chance to write a blog post after I see the movie. I’m going to see it with a neighbor, who was also in the movement, but she was actually in California, and was baptized in the ocean in 1974 as a member of Chuck Smith’s Calvary Chapel, congregation! We are going to post on our neighborhood Facebook page, we’re looking for people to attend the movie with us!
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Well you’re just not sex-positive enough ! 🙄🙄🙄🙄😩 I mean that sarcastically. Sex has been so twisted and perverted . Sad to see this kind of thing in the church . As for the bride of Christ, I have often pondered how both men and women in the church are the bride of Christ . Obviously the wedding language of the Kingdom is not literal . At least I don’t think it is. 🤷🏻♀️
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Ha! I’m absolutely positive God created sex and it’s a good thing, but that’s not what “sex positive” seems to mean anymore.
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Pornification of the gospel. I like that term. Although I too have talked to many men and they left the church to watch the ball game. Yet being of the same gender as other men.. somehow “pornification” of anything does seem to raise.. um.. an eyebrow.
You remarked, “People are probably tired of hearing my laments about Pastor Wilson, but many moons ago he went and proclaimed that the job of men was to “penetrate and colonize,” with a bunch of sexualized gospel language all heavily infused with testosterone.”
Um.. you have his phone number?
As to the “smokin’ hot wife” reference, perhaps this is a reference to a wife having a preference to what weed she prefers to inhale.. and not her appearance? Of course I’m just spit ballin’ here. I once had an ex=mother-in-law who I might describe as being “smokin’ hot” but that had nothing to due with her plump, gawd awful appearance. She was literally the spawn of Satan and I am positive she now sits at the right hand of some aberration of a lava flow with appendages (she’s dead, I am not. I won.).
Frivolity aside… humankind has been, and always shall be, of infinite variety. Religion exists to control all of mankind’s infinite variety. As the title above of your blog suggests… biology can get in the way of religion (or is it the other way around?). If nature isn’t going to limit how we live with each other then religion fills the space. Nature doesn’t care a lick about sexual abuse between humans. Oh.. wait.. we have the natural ability to rationalize! One could then ask, why do many not rationalize the same as others and avoid the problem altogether? There’s that infinite variety again.
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Ha! Very funny, Doug. I should tell those pastors that, “smoking hot” doesn’t always mean what you think it does.
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I must say I share the distaste for “Jesus is my boyfriend” music.
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Yes, me too! I pretty much enjoy all music, but sometimes our contemporary worship music can get annoying.
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This interesting, because when we look back historically, the most degraded and degenerated levels of paganism were based on fertility cults and phallic worship. These cults used to practice literally what people like Butler and Wilson (and the Rainbow Churchians—from whom they’re not really that different) turn Jesus into Bacchus and Mary into the Unchaste Venus. The Apostles and early Churchmen may have gotten too prudish at times: but in fairness, this is what they were trying to prevent. Some of the early heresies were already running in that direction.
Blasphemies like “Christ penetrates his church with the generative seed of his Word” sound like something Dalrock, Rollo Tomassi, or Vox Day would say; which is further proof that the ideals of the Red Pilled Cult have taken root on the sociopolitical Right. People need to understand that this isn’t ‘the New Right’ but the Reactionary Left—and both are leading us from Civilization back to Barbarism.
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Exactly. This is not really “new,” it’s more like the attempted resurrection of something really old and pagan. And yes, it would be quite comfortable in a red pill setting.
You are right too, about needing to try and put what we deem “prudish” about the early church in context with the culture of the time. I remember a country in Africa a few years back really being shamed for trying to fight “homosexuality,” people in the West not understanding that due to the AIDS epidemic no one felt safe having sex with anyone over 12. So “homosexuality” in the context of that culture didn’t mean sex between consenting adults at all, in practice it meant visiting child sex slaves in brothels.
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Just because people CAN speak publicly about something, doesn’t mean they SHOULD. Late nite tv is notorious for that. It’s like magnification of the VIEW, those female clowns, with apologies to Bozo.
What comes out of their mouths tightens the noose around their stupidity. Shameful even to point them out – these alleged alphas.
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Church: A corrupt human institution home to many swindlers forced to do enough good as to maintain plausability …?
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So it seems? Regardless, that’s a creative description and I approve.
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I’m in agreement with your post except the good humor bits. I have no good humor left in me regarding men. I would go so far as to say they ruin everything and wonder why I ever encouraged young women to marry. I mean, misery happens either way, but independent misery I’m sure is better overall.
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Oh dear! No doubt a good chunk of men deserve your ire, perhaps even all of them. I laugh sometimes when men on the internet try to threaten women with living alone with a box of wine and a bunch of cats. Like dude, do you not realize you have just described my view of paradise??
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Switch cats to dogs, and I’m happy. Dogs are loyal and affectionate. Affection is hard to come by in the world.
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Thank you, Clyde.
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TGC is wicked
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