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I was this many years old before I even learned of the possible idea that, “the damned don’t give a damn.” Perhaps you are not a kind hearted soul with a heaping side dish of codependency who just wants to save the whole world from itself, but I do resemble that remark to some degree.
I usually assume everyone is a poor unfortunate, lost soul who would do better, if only they knew better. So I’ve had a hard time accepting that perhaps God does judge people, that perhaps some shall not be saved, and that maybe that gate is narrow after all?
It never even occurred to me that perhaps, the damned don’t give a damn? In typical codependent style, was it possible that that I was worrying far more about the condemned than they worried about themselves?
It was and is quite possible.
I had a huge revelation reading about Pharaoh of “let my people” go fame. God sends plague after plague trying to convince him to let go of his slaves to no avail. Finally God just hardens his heart. This troubled me a great deal because if His heart was hard, how could he possibly make the right choice? It was as if God had removed his freewill! I stuck with my discomfort, prayed about it, and God kept whispering to me, it was an act of mercy.
It took me a while to understand, to make sense of this. I look at people as if they are trying really, really hard and just can’t catch a break. I look at people as if they are in torment, wrestling hard to do the right thing, grieved when they fail. Don’t laugh, but I even projected that personification onto Pharaoh himself and thought of him as someone having a great struggle with his own conscience and wanting so badly to be moral, but he just couldn’t make the cut. None of that is even in the Bible, it is pure projection on my part, a completely false assumption, really.
If someone was condemned and I were actually upright, holy, and full of mercy, would I leave them to suffer emotionally, to experience pain, guilt, and distress, to live out their life depressed about their state of impending doom? No, not if I were actually moral! Instead, I would harden their heart so they cannot even feel their sin and separation anymore. Hence, the idea that, “the damned don’t give a damn.”
Hence the idea that it was an act of mercy to harden his heart and not cruelty at all.
Now, I do believe God also softens a great many hard hearts, that His grace is overflowing and abundant, and available to all. There is no sin greater than the blood of Jesus and no heart so hard that it can’t be softened. I’m not holding anyone in condemnation, I’ve seen too many miracles.
I’m just saying that sometimes we people needlessly separate ourselves from God and keep our distance because we are concerned that He might not be fair to others or we are reluctant to trust His judgement. Sometimes we fear He might leave someone behind. And sometimes we fail to understand that God is a god of mercy, a god of great love and compassion. In fact, most of the time we fail to grasp that truth.
I know a great many people outside of faith, refusing to come in where it’s warm, because they are under the impression that God leaves some people out in the cold. They have a false impression of God as a bully or an abusive father, or something similar. It’s sad, because there is just a myriad of different Christian beliefs, writings, and thoughts on the matter, going back for hundreds of years. Faith is not a set of rigid ideologies and rules, it is a journey, an adventure, a relationship.
We’re called to “work out your faith with fear and trembling,” as it says in the Bible, and that’s not a bad kind of “fear,” but more like take it seriously, be in awe and full of wonder about the mystery of it all. Work it out with the Lord. He will always point you in the right direction.
So that’s my story about how I came to understand that perhaps “the damned don’t give a damn,” and while it may be my job to spread the good news, it is not my job to care more about the perishing then they do about themselves.
Reblogged this on clydeherrin.
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Thank you, Clyde. Much appreciated.😊
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Always liked to watch the unnecessary battles engaged by the Professional theologians on Pharaoh and the plaques- the plaques by the way that he plaqued himself with.
Did God harden His heart so he could NOT believe? Nope. But I’ll tell u what, the word of God was so sharp that he WOULD not believe, in this it’s true that God hardened his heart. He made his own mess, as u say about people today. He rejected what was good- and u know what happens next-
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Lol! I think I’ve had just about enough of “professionals” and “experts.” Just give me an honest man with a bit of humility. They are priceless.
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The real professionals are insects I tell ya. Bees and the honeycomb….. ( without wearing masks even!)
But yea, overrated to be sure. The contradictory opinions stated as fact today are wrong tomorrow, even worse, lies.
That’s why I so luv God’s word. Settled. Certain. Changeless. Beautiful. Glorious. A truly professional library all in one place.
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This brings back memories of teaching. One day one of my students, that I had been nagging about her possibilities if she’d just TRY, demanded, “WHY DO YOU CARE?!” I remember snapping back, “Why do you NOT care? Why do I care more about you than you care about yourself?!”
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Amen! Yep, that’s the heart of the problem. When we do all the caring for them, they don’t have to care themselves. Of course, there are probably some exceptions for kids. 😊
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Is it not fair to observe: Persecutions are external; damnations, self-induced?
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Yes! Exactly. Alas, a bit of persecution tends to build character, but self damnation just cements it in.
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Indeed so. And seem stochastically distributed constants in our species …
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I know and have known a lot of damned that don’t give a damn I have seen some of them change and others that double down on not giving a damn. I have a nephew that from the time he was born I was his biggest advocate I stuck up for him all the years he was growing up, but as he came into adulthood that changed rapidly. He is a narcissist and doesn’t give a damn about anyone or anything, but himself, and I wouldn’t be surprised if he hasn’t had his heart hardened. My sister is like that to a degree as well she never accepts fault for anything it is always the fault of someone else, and she is always right even if proven wrong. The difference between her and her son is she still has a heart and I am not sure he ever did.
In the Bible God talks about in the end times people are going to be given over to their sin and I feel that is a hardening of their hearts. It is played out in the news every single day as crime skyrockets, especially violent crimes. More and more the world reminds me of the days of Noah just take away all the modern things and you are right there. I don’t think it is so much they don’t give a damn so much as it is they give a damn about the wrong things and don’t give a damn about the right things.
I never really saw good in many people and one of my faults was always to look for the bad in them because it was always there. I never believe many people were really good and that many were like Pharaoh and think nothing of doing evil to get what they want from people. I have even less trust in people than I had growing up and as a young adult and that is saying something.
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Yes, amen, I do think being “turned over to their passions” or being “given over to one’s sins” is the same kind of thing as hardening one’s heart. Again, that’s not God deliberately doing that to us, it is simply a natural consequence of our behavior. We grow numb to sin over time. So pain, guilt, grief, godly sorrow, all these things are really signs of life and good spiritual health!
It’s kind of like how with addicts they are high most of the time, they got anesthesia numbing them out. Those of us who care about them often don’t, we watch their disease while sober and often suffer on their behalf.
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Reblogged this on Citizen Tom and commented:
If you are God and you are judging your creations, how do you express love, mercy and grace to the creatures you have created? We assume that God does what we would do, but we are not God. We cannot harden someone’s heart, and we cannot soften someone’s heart, and that is the issue insanitybytes22 deals with in her post.
Note something important. Something most of us have a difficult time accepting is that unless the Father makes us come to Jesus, we cannot come to Jesus. That is, we think salvation is something we do, but it isn’t.
That raises the question. If we are so flawed, why does our Creator bother with saving any of us? He loves us? Then why doesn’t he save all of us? We can guess, but I don’t think the Bible provides a clear answer.
All I can say is that Romans 9 has much to say about this issue. Here is the most relevant part.
Does Romans 9 answer our questions? Not mind, but what can I do? What did Job do when God spoke to him?
Job accepted that which we all must accept, that only God is God, and we must worship Him and only Him.
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Great comment, Tom. I really appreciate the connection to Romans, because that is the heart of the matter, God has mercy on who He wants and hardens those He doesn’t. That can be a harsh truth for us to accept, but we need to ask ourselves, don’t we trust God? Isn’t He more qualified to make those decisions than us? Why do we fear He is just arbitrary or assume He is unfair? In truth He is far more Holy and compassionate than we are.
I really don’t know how it all plays out, but I do know that asking all these questions helps us to get to know ourselves and God better and that’s a good thing. 😊
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Thanks.
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Ah , the free will debate. It will continue until the end of time. I was once convinced of Calvinism, but then I had second thoughts. However I don’t believe that every single person has free will. In His sovereignty, God uses some people for his glory. He did that with Pharaoh and later with other pagan kings. Pharaoh was like many pagans today, in full rebellion against God. Egypt itself is an example of idolatry . God chose Abraham and his descendants,Israel , as his people . He did not choose Egypt. Did some individual Egyptians follow the God of Israel? Yes. My current conclusion is that after the resurrection, everyone knows they should follow God, but some still don’t and eventually they can’t because they become hardened. Jesus changed things from the time of pharaoh to now. As for not caring , I see that daily . People don’t care about what they consider fairy tales and nonsense. 😕
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Ha! Well, if you had second thoughts about Calvinism, then I’m sure that was predestined to be! I’m laughing, but these are good discussions to have because they help us to understand ourselves and God better. 😊
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Exactly ☺️😆
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Tom, Insanitybytes
I find hopeful comfort on this issue in the verses and outcome of these following verses Genesis 18:26
“The LORD said, “If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake.”
In my opinion, the same circumstance of this Bible story is being repeated in our contemporary times.
I don’t think we are quite there yet in waning numbers of Christian believers, but who knows the who or when, and who is another Abraham in our contemporary times who could bargain directly with God for the sake of Christians or humans He Created?
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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