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Here is an interesting juxtaposition, two completely unrelated bloggers that offer some good food for thought along similar lines. Blue Skies writes, “Please Don’t Call America a Christian Nation,” and Night Wind writes, “Godless Capitalism is No Solution Either” and “Godless Capitalism, Part Two.”
This is a veritable feast, a wide girth of information that all relates to some of our discussions about “Christian Nationalism” and politics.
The first thing I like is that we seem to have a standard, an expectation for what is good and moral. That means we must have Standard Bearer, God, in which we judge ourselves as having falling short of. Why shouldn’t we call ourselves a “Christian nation?” Because we are not doing a very good job of reflecting Christ. Why is Godless capitalism not a solution? Because it is godless, because it also does not do a very good job of reflecting Christ.
This might sound simplistic, but keep in mind that when you haven’t got a standard to fall short of, things get sketchy fast.
This is a very serious matter, but all in good humor here, humankind has always fallen short of doing a good job reflecting Christ, when we even remember to try to reflect Him at all. So while I think both of these posts are truthful and provide some pretty good insights into how off the rails we really are, I think we need to also apply some grace, some forgiveness towards our deeply flawed, broken, and supremely imperfect condition.
Much like the Bible says “it is the kindness of God that leads to repentance, ” I believe it is also the kindness of God that will lead this nation to repentance, so we can at least begin to dig the train out of the sticker bushes and try to put it back on the tracks. So beating ourselves up and wagging our finger at ourselves is not the cure. That does not mean we should not openly confront these issues. In fact, our unwillingness to confront and discuss these problems for years, is a big part of our problem.
For decades now I’ve been trying to talk to liberals about why it is that our policies always seem to make the lives of the little people so much worse. For all our alleged compassion and virtue signaling, every darn thing we do seems to just create more poverty, more mental health issues, more homelessness, more crime, and way more economic inequality.
Not all liberals are evil. Some of them actually believe they are making the country a better place, more compassionate, more progressive.
For decades now I’ve also been trying to talk to conservatives about how maybe all our rugged individualism and protestant work ethic stuff has done some harm? Like maybe screaming, “get a job” to a young guy who happens to have two jobs and is still forced to live in his truck, is not a winning strategy? Conservatives tend to equate morality with success, which is a huge roadblock when one is trying to discuss real things like crony capitalism, corruption, and white collar crime.
Not all conservatives are evil. In fact, where I live it is actually conservatives who have done the most useful and productive work in bringing in genuine affordable housing and jobs. A lot of conservatives in this neck of the woods also work in soup kitchens and food bank programs.
I don’t like the idea of reaching across the aisle and working together, especially in this neck of the woods, because there is a lot of greed, envy, corruption, perversion, hostility. Like, I don’t even trust the dog catcher around here. Ultimately however, the path forward requires the little people on the ground to build alliances among ourselves, to come together to solve problems, to find some likemindedness. We have to stop dehumanizing one another and start perceiving one another as being made in the image of God.
I honestly believe our politics, our leadership is simply a symptom of a greater disease, one that runs through the little people of this nation where we have bought into a lot of lies about all our alleged divisions and we’re now trying to one up each another with our vastly superior ideologies. That was no accident, that’s the bread and circuses that is always used to divert our attention so corruption can climb the corporate political ladder unhindered.
We have a 3.2 million dollar boondoggle here where I live, an old lead and asbestos infected building up on stilts that was barged in from Canada a number of years ago. That’s our “affordable housing,” but anyone with a half a brain cell knows what it really is is, the fruit of crony capitalism. The goal was never affordable housing, the goal was putting some taxpayer money into individual people’s pockets. A few million is nothing, that same story is playing out all across this nation in much larger ways.
Pull yourself up by the bootstraps, just work harder, sing the praises of capitalism louder, are not solutions to what currently ails us. The game is really rigged right now, and people know the playing field is not even close to level. While the little people are busy fighting over ideology and which party is to blame, our leadership is just having lunch together. A few million in profits is also a great equalizer and all those ideological divisions just fall to the wayside.
When it comes to America being a Christian nation, for me that is a no brainer. Certainly we are unworthy of such a label, but it seems to be a simple matter of, so are we going to embrace and live out the values that Christ has taught us, or not? People who do not want this to be a Christian nation need to tell me which of the ten commandments hinder freedom. Which ideals offend you? Do you wish to murder, lie, cheat, steal?Which of these things do you wish to promote and why? Often people who live in America begin to take for granted the ideals we hold and falsely assume this is just how it is everywhere, as if none of those values have anything to do with Christianity, or even our history as a country.
Nothing has changed much in the last two hundred years. The rules are still the same. “United we stand, divided we fall.” E Plurius unum, “Out of many, one.” Or as the Bible says, “preserve the unity.” We don’t force it, make it, or create it, it’s already a given, a done deal. Our job is to cling to what is good and preserve what has already been established.
“get a job”
A Christian will at least make an attempt to remember to speak the truth in love. It’s good to advise the indolent to get jobs, but it’s even better to teach them regarding the moral context of work. I like this verse in Ephesians 4:28
“Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.”
Liberty by itself really is just license to live in libertinism. Liberty without Christian values is Somalia. Christian Liberty is not for fulfilling our lusts, but rather it’s about being free to love God and our neighbor as we would have God and our neighbor love us.
The written law was made for the lawless. The law of love is freedom which far transcends the crude basics of the 10 Commandments.
John 13:
34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.
This is why I love this blog, because I can say these things and actually expect that they are understood, to point where I probably didn’t even need to say it.
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I’m glad you say the things you do. It’s good to read your thoughts and ideas.
Work is often a real blessing, it can boost people’s self esteem, connect them to other people, and give them more freedom. Sometimes the best social work one can do for young people, the disabled, even the elderly, is simply to help them find a job. It’s actually good for our mental health.
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Thanks for the shoutout. I agree that we don’t need to add to the blame game, but that we need to discuss this amongst our Christian selves. Are we really living like Christ and having compassion and actually doing anything to help people ? It’s a pretty important question because if we aren’t, why not? I know it’s hard to admit, but I think it’s a lack of faith that God will actually provide for us. If we are always putting ourselves, in the name of capitalism or conservativism or whatever , how is that different than unbelievers? If we everyday Christians can’t love our neighbors in deed (not just word) while the country is still doing fairly well, what chaos will there be when things get worse? Alisa Childers has a good podcast on this topic from earlier this year. Have a good Monday! 🙂
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Happy Monday!
I think we do have a lack of faith that God will provide and also a real scarcity mindset, so rather than feeling secure in the Lord’s abundance, we’ve been led to believe there is a shortage of everything, including toilet paper. That creates envy, fear, competition, and then we wind up with people actually hoarding all the toilet paper.
It’s can be a challenging mindset to change because capitalism, advertising, even politics is often all about convincing us we are lacking something. They create a need and then sell you the solution. Nothing wrong with that unless we lose all perspective.
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Exactly. Jesus said he came to give us abundant life!
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I think at one time we were close to being a Christian nation, but never quite made it. As for yelling at a guy living in his truck that works two jobs to get a job no I wouldn’t do that. To the 20 something woman sitting in the food stamp office thinking she is being sneaky drinking whiskey from a gas station soda cup I will yell at her all day long to get a job. As I have said before compassion for addicts kills. I would say I wonder how the church in Jesus time would have dealt with her, but I know how and it wouldn’t have been with food stamps she is likely selling for more booze.
I am more conservative in my views, but I don’t agree with everything they do. On the other hand I agree with even less with the things liberals do. I saw enough of both sides of the coin during the “peaceful” protests and harassing people having dinner. Liberals lose on that front and did nothing to win me over to anything in their favor. I do know not all of them are bad, but those are the silent ones. Just like I know not all conservatives are good and as a matter of fact one such comedian that thought to run against Governor Abbott found we don’t want some in office that cracks jokes. I spent months telling him he wasn’t doing himself any favors whipping his followers into a frenzy of hate towards everyone that disagreed with him. When your followers cannot be distinguished from those during the “peaceful” protests you have failed.
As for the Christians and I mean true Christians not what many try to pass off as Christians would get on their knees and pray for this nation I think you would be shocked at how few there actually are. Churches have been changing for decades now and slowly they have become anything but Christian. Preachers leave out a full 1/3 of the Bible from their sermons 60% of professing Christian do not believe in the devil, demons, or hell. So are they saying God is lying to them and if they are calling God a liar can they truly be Christian? From what I have understood reading the Bible you must believe it all or you believe none of it. I am not saying it cannot happen, but I do not foresee a revival in this country so much of the population has fallen so far into madness and that is on both sides to some degree.
As a side note Illinois as of January 1st will stop detaining people for things like armed robbery, second degree murder, home invasion, drug possession, and a lot more. If they are arrested they will be released without bond. Reminds me of that movie The Purge and it worries me because I have family there still. I think the slope is tipped to far to be tipped back and not because God couldn’t it is because people don’t want it to be.
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I’ve been watching some of the stuff coming out of Illinois. Good grief! We’re in a similar situation here. Something that really aggravates me, people were out rioting, setting buildings on fires, committing assaults, and there was no accountability at all. Even those few who were arrested where released without charges a few hours later. Many police chiefs and sheriffs simply resigned because they were unable to do their job.
I think you make a good point about many people being unwilling to change. At the moment, liberals, Democrats, the left, are all upset with Joe Biden because he just said covid was over. I did not see that one coming! I should have, people get heavily invested in their narratives and when they start to crumble they can get angry. There are already teeshirt and hats, “#covid is not over,” thousands of tweets, and some gatherings happening. I suspect people would rather believe a lie than face the fact that they were lied to.
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Oh now Illinois is pushing back saying it is not true, but you watch and see it will turn out to be true. That state lost it’s collective mind a long time ago. Just look at Chicago and all the murders there and no one does anything about those so why not make the entire state into Chicago?
Thanks, I have noticed for years that once people get an idea imbedded in their minds it is very hard to change it. I have placed undeniable proof in front of people proving they are wrong for them to just double down with things like well it is what I feel, or how I believe. One things is for certain facts don’t care about your feelings. Many are also afraid of ridicule from their peers if they change what they believe. As for COVID being over many people don’t want it to be because it was the one thing that made them feel important thinking they could boss everyone else around and if it is over they will have to crawl back into the woodwork. If people didn’t have their heads stuffed in…ummm the sand they would have saw the lies. It is hard to see with sand in your eyes though.
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You are so right about people feeling important. I know a lot of nurses who felt like heroes, patriots, and singing and dancing videos were being made. Many of them were shocked to suddenly realize they got no bonuses, no hazard pay, in fact if you do catch covid, no sick pay either. Also, if you don’t get all your boosters, you’re fired. You go from being a hero on the front lines one day, to realizing you were really used and exploited. There is currently a huge nursing shortage and some of it is simply disillusionment. Many people In healthcare woke up. Not enough of them, but many.😊
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I agree about the nurses and honestly I felt bad for them then and I do now to a degree. It has got to suck to know you were used and even abused for nearly three full years to the degree they were. I am glad many of them have woke up and maybe just maybe they will help others to do the same. I have known many very good nurses in my life being a sickly person a good portion of my life I have spent more than my fair share of time in hospitals and have had more than one nurse keep a doctor from killing me and I do mean that literally.
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The depravity in the U.S. serves only to bring His judgment, not blessings. (I have posted this quote from John Adams several times -“Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”)
You and Gds44’s Blog had responded to some of the seven posts I’d made on so called Christianity.
My last post on this subject, made nearly four years ago, was the only one to have more than one or two responses. The video below -taken from a deceased patriot blog- and nearly 8 years ago- is still appropriate:
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I ought to point out, that the many references to the “state of Jefferson”, was a movement to unite several counties in northern CA and southern Oregon, into a new state. This failed to happen.
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It would be just as wrong to call USA a Christian nation as it would be to say it is an atheistic nation. There are tendencies toward both, with good and bad coming from both.
Yes, there are great ideals served up via the good book, and God knows courts borrow from law, vice, and consequences, but generally, we don’t see a murderer let loose because we are told to ‘forgive 70 x 7.’
We need to be careful not to say: ‘give us a king…..’
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Oh yes, amen! Those passages about wanting a king are powerful! Basically, the reason you guys want a king so bad is you’ve forgotten I am your King. Be careful because whoever rules over you owns you and will exercise their rights! That’s how I feel about the whole mess, if we seat Jesus at the head of our table for real, it’s all good. Of course, we usually don’t do that, we usually put some man made entity in charge and pretend it’s Godly.
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Yes and btw, while it may be true we are ‘one nation under God,’ (some would call that questionable) Jews would readily agree, yet, they want no parts of Christianity.
We are all under His umbrella as it were, by virtue of creation alone. God is God over all, no one can escape from that, no where to hide, it’s up to us as individuals to decide whether to cultivate Hud goodness further, so we may then perhaps say: our Father, which art in heaven.
I would say quite the distinction between God and Father.
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Especially today when it’s been constant MSM bombardment about that Old Crow in England’s funeral. The only exciting part of the whole spectacle was when the government thugs beat some guy up for touching the coffin: I can’t think of a better metaphor for life under Monarchy than that.
If the idea of Prince Charles becoming the Head of State doesn’t move the British people to demand a Republic there’s no hope for them.
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I think you had a good take; no discussion about civil ethics is an vaccum and we have the Christian historical heritage; yet we fall short of being Christian or biblical…
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Good article and thank you for the links. FYI, part 3 was just posted lol.
I was reading recently about how the Church of Scotland in the old days took care of public welfare. Once in the 1700s, there was a terrible economic recession, and the only ones who had money were the Church and the Nobles (good luck getting help from the latter). The Church of Scotland was Calvinist and very devoted to the Protestant Work Ethic. The Elders got together and decided that they needed a new church building. They got some prince to donate some land for it, and the plans they laid were for an elaborate, state-of-the-art building. The unspoken, but obvious, reason for the plan was to create jobs for the community. They needed the labor of landscapers, carpenters, masons, metalworkers, weavers, roofers and others to build it, plus the support network of farmers and merchants. Other churches got the same idea and it pulled Scotland through a difficult time.
This was an example of how communities can work together, and the Church Elders showed some real leadership. They didn’t outsource the project to the lowest bidder or sell the Parish to some supranational global conglomerate, or try to divert attention with scandals and scapegoating. They did the Christian thing and put people first and in a way they could have respectable work and contribute to the community. Our leaders in both parties could take some lessons from that.
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We all belong to special interest groups. We all allow ourselves to be bought by politicians. Crony capitalism begins with “me” at the local level and moves up.
So, it would be good if we all looked into a mirror and first tried to fix our self.
However, self-sacrifice is not necessarily a solution. There is a difference between helping people and helping people to help themselves. The first is not a sustainable solution. The second is.
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Whenever somebody says, “Because we are not doing a very good job of reflecting Christ, ” I wonder who appointed them judge almighty, or are they just talking about themselves and the rat in their pocket?
As a matter of fact, Christians generally do an excellent job of reflecting Christ. I live in a Christian neighborhood and it’s like living in America before the 1950’s. I don’t even have to lock my doors at night.
And another favorite, “Why is Godless capitalism not a solution?” This is an example of a stupid question because there is no such thing as Godless capitalism. No God -> No capitalism. Capitalism the poverty wrecker, like science, is an exclusive achievement of Christian Western Civilization.
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“There is no such thing as Godless capitalism.” Somebody had better tell that to Klaus Schwab because he calls his philosophy ‘Stakeholder Capitalism.’
Incidentally, Ayn Rand was an Atheist and her writings come across as quite pro-Capitalist.
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Klaus Schwab is a leftist and therefore, a liar. Leftists like Schwab take words we all know and love and pervert their true meaning by embedding lies into them.
For example, “stakeholder” sounds great. But what he really means is totalitarian control over corporate boards so that he can coerce corporate behavior to do his bidding. “Stakeholder capitalism” is in fact grand theft on an unimaginable scale (trillions and trillions of dollar assets).
Schwab’s outfit takes control of the retirement savings of average people without their permission.
That Ayn Rand was an atheist completely sacks her of credibility; atheism being a catastrophic failure of reason. I grew up when Ayn Rand was all that, and I never understood the attraction. I just think she had good PR.
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Ayn Rand was what we would call today an ‘edgelord.’ Remember, she wrote during the New Deal Era and the ideals she promoted (atheism, unregulated economy, philosophical egoism, sexual liberation, Social Darwinism, etc.) were even less accepted then than they are today.
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Ayn Rand was what we would call today a libertarian. Libertarianism is an incoherent political philosophy that belongs no where near human beings.
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Plato advocated sexual liberation 2400 years ago. Ayn Rand is old news.
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Brilliant.
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The Christianity that has distinguished the West seems as well to have been the foundation for its rise … What usually follows the disappearance of foundations?
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