First let me say, I am quite fond of several flat earthers. They have blessed me, taught me a lot of significant things. For one, just look at this little meme. How do you know if what you believe is a genuinely held belief, well reasoned, a matter of personal conscience and conviction, versus just believing in something because it’s popular and socially acceptable, and demanded of you?
Become a flat earther, you’ll find out real quick.
So I have a great deal of respect for anyone brave enough to question the narrative, to dare to suggest that perhaps we should think critically and ask some questions rather then simply complying with what we’ve been told and swallowing the narrative whole.
Ai yi yi, you have no idea how prophetic that notion has been over the past couple of years, but I digress. I’m just going to say one thing, slapping the label “science” on something and demanding people bow down before it isn’t “science” or “truth.” “Respect the science” is actually a disingenuous religious statement. Science is an inanimate thing, it does not require your respect and it is not insecure about allegedly being dishonored.
So my bit of folklore Christianity today is this crazy narrative that tries to suggest that science and Christianity are not compatible because they are polar opposites. Au contraire, science done properly, (meaning based on observing the world around you not just branding products for public consumption) is quite compatible with faith.
Somebody smart once said, “A little knowledge of science makes a man an atheist, but an in depth study of science makes him a believer in God.” My father was a physicist. There are numerous Christians who value science, who study science, who work in science fields. It is so ironic, Darwin was not even a scientist. Bill Nye is not a scientist. And Bill Gates is not a doctor!
However, I’m going to also suggest that a big part of Christianity involves a willingness to let go of the need for people favor and social approval. Letting go of worldly approval. We don’t often experience that in the Western world and perhaps we should.
Jesus came to set the captives free. So if you are afraid, (note the fear or manipulation at play) and are forced to say, of course I believe in evolution, of course I believe the earth is round, of course I believe the dead can’t rise, well you can see the problem there. Like it or not, we serve a supernatural God who rose from the grave on the third day, one who spoke of the sick being healed, the Red Sea being parted, and disembodied hands writing on the wall.
I snagged the name insanitybytes because at some point in my life I realized I’d rather hold hands with the Holy Spirit and be perceived as crazy, then to gain the approval of the so called “sane,” scientific, and well reasoned. Also, I’ve walked among those people. Trust me, half of them are outright bonkers, too.
I’m not going to confirm or deny flat earth theories or evolution because I just don’t know. I am going to confirm however, that I happen to currently be standing somewhere on God’s firmament and not just free floating through space.
See, there's this thing called biology... 
It always amazes me when Christians, to support a biblical worldview, or “mockers”, to discredit same, try to tie the Gospel or Christianity to believing that the Earth is not in late spheroid as is every other planet in our solar system. I think the “folk lore” is that the idea or Belief that the earth is flat and stationary in space has ZERO to do with Christianity, the bible or believing that Christ is the Saviour of the World. All efforts from both Christians and lockers alike are misguided at best… and intentionally dishonest at worst. And I hope John (colorstorm) reads this and reconsiders. – Barabbas
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Can you correct? I typed “oblate” spheroid. Thx
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I really believe these things are secondary issues, not related to our faith in the sense that one can believe in evolution and be a Christian and one can believe in the Earth is round and be a Christian, too. However, I’m going to suggest that when we are not even willing to questions these things we deprive ourselves of some of the richness of scripture and faith.
There actually is a dome over us, a firmament that keeps the water above and below, so beautifully described in ancient times that is quite in line with what science says today about our atmosphere, our biodome.
Speaking of faith, since none of us are out there with a radar gun clocking the speed of the earth, much of our cosmology is simply based on faith, taking the word of others as truth. As for human evolution, well, we’ve never actually found the so called missing link and there are more holes in that science then one can count.
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I guess we’ll just have to agree to disagree. Have a wonderful day. Jesus is STILL Lord. – barabbas
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Isn’t the premise of agreeing to disagree settles nothing? Is not what you hold valuable enough to defend/ explain?
Btw, many people of no religion hold to a stationary earth. The fact that scripture is not mute on the subject is also telling.
But ask yourself in perfect candor: do people arrive at their conclusions before or after they saw that blue ball on that Kindergarten desk?
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You said, slapping the label “science” on something and demanding people bow down before it isn’t “science” or “truth.”
I might suggest IB that you do not understand scientific methodology and it is religions such as yours that slap labels on peoples freedoms and demand we all bow down to the wishes of their Gods.
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Good morning. OTF time… what is one “cannot be questioned” scientific Truth ™ that you would consider somewhat “less than” scientific or truthful? Are there any that you see touted as “absolute scientific fact” that you find… “Not so much”?
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Skyld, “scientific methodology” is simply a brand for sale today to the highest bidder. That is why sugar does not cause obesity and heart disease and why thalidomide was thought to be good for pregnant women.
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IB I have to say heredity has a great deal to do with those things as well. Yes sugar causes obesity if you eat to much of it and sit on your butt all the time, but then it would be the same with anything you ate if you sat on your butt all the time. I am a third generation type 2 diabetic and the first to take insulin. My diabetes is hard to control even with insulin and I lived with the guilt for years that is was my fault because so many doctors and people have told me it is my fault. That is until I met my Endocrinologist and he told me my genes have more to do with it than what I have ate in my life and diabetes is a progressive disease. I have hereditary heart disease as well A-fib and Bradycardia with first my heart has beat as fast as 185bpm and with the second as slow as 30bpm and my heart itself is healthy and strong it is the electrical system that is shot. That is like doctors told me for years I couldn’t eat eggs because of high cholesterol, but my Endocrinologist told me to eat all the eggs I want that, that was proven wrong a long time ago. Up until my stroke in 2009 I was walking 3 miles 3 times a week and yes I was somewhat over weight, but not like I am now that I have been disabled for 10 years. My point here is not all things are cut and dried with a blanket cause that many people use to guilt those that are sick.
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Ah, I hear you! No, the “science” that I was thinking of was bought and paid for by the government and told us fat was bad, eggs were bad, and that it would be a good idea to take the nutrients out of everything and just add more sugar to make it taste better. It’s not that we were all sitting around eating cookies and candy, it’s that they turned everything we ate into starches and simple carbs with no nutrients. Because of that so called “science” we completely changed the structure and nature of the food we eat and you can see the general health of everyone decline for the past 65 years or so. A lot of our food has actually had to be fortified with vitamins, because we were literally starving for nutrients and getting sick.
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I agree with what you said about the nutrients for sure. I try not to cook prepackaged foods as much as possible and cook fresh or frozen veggies and meat. I eat very little potatoes, pasta, or rice. Also for diabetics, there are three fruits they should never eat because of the sugar content: mangoes, pineapple, and bananas. Berries are the best to eat and I eat a ton of blueberries. I also don’t eat corn or peas because I have Ulcerative Colitis. If people cut out most of the processed food it would help their health a lot. As for fat, we need it even obese people need some in their diets. I feel God gave us a multitude of foods and we just have to balance eating them.
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You do not understand the scientific processes, you judge the whole world of science on a couple of early scientific results that were changed from increased knowledge. That is what science is all about, changes occur as knowledge increases through further studies, experimental and technological advancements, nobody gets everything right first time and every time, not even you IB.
Unfortunately you also judge all of science on the pharmaceutical companies and their corrupt practices such as the Pfizer company. Have you ever thought about the positives of what science has bought to the world and your own well being?
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“The heavens are telling the glory of God.” And all truth is God’s truth. Billions-year-old creation, evolution, data, etc. are not real problems. The real problems are when (a) people start acting like what we can see etc., and know from that, so far, is all there is to know, and (b) other people start denying solid evidence, because they believe (a).
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Oh, I really like what you’ve said here, “The real problems are when people start acting like what we can see etc., and know from that, so far, is all there is to know….” Amen, that’s it exactly!
There used to be a good bumper sticker that said, “don’t believe everything you think.” It’s not just about cosmology, but also our emotional and spiritual well being. The Bible says “don’t lean into your own understanding..” We’re a lot healthier when we can maintain a bit of intellectual and emotional humility.
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You raise a very important point re. ‘A friend loveth at all times.’ The recent vax mandate tested this eh? So called friendships disappeared overnight because of one’s views and principle. God forbid they disagree on anything.
‘You believe this? You believe that? Sorry, you no longer fit in my tidy box of comfort. ‘ Well might we learn from the salmon going upstream when it is much easier to go with the flow.
In conversations in person and online, it is a real test to be decent in the face of insults while the majority is tone deaf to points made which cannot be contradicted. But you get style points msb for venturing into what I call science fiction.
And conversely, I hold zero ill will toward any who does not see as I do, nor do I hold them in contempt- humans are not insects who specialize in one thing, and what one loathes today, he may love tomorrow.
But u b quite fair and always thoughtful and deep. 😉
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Thank you for your kind words, Colorstorm. You’re a good friend.
Yep, the vaxx mandates have sure exposed us for who we really are and how quick we are to kiss a friend before selling them out and throwing them under the bus. Painful stuff!
I honestly don’t know the whole story about creation or the nature of our world, but I do embrace several ideas and concepts that are often labeled and dismissed as flat earth theories. Heck, just suggesting that biology can clearly define the difference between a man and women is now labeled a flat earth theory!
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Oh my your last line! I think your past references to our ‘Bronze Age ancestors’ needs revisited? I’m pretty sure their biology of male/female needed no peer review. And they made brass……. looong before we ever heard of metallurgy.
So yeah, some disgruntled customer wanted his name on the front page of The Babylonian Times and said: the earth is a planet- one of seven, spinning, gryrating, orbiting, all at insane immeasurable speeds, and the unknowing said: ‘wow!!’
And just like that people jumped on board, and accepted ‘theory’ over what Stone age dunces long rejected, that earth is NOT a planet, that it is stationary, just as it appears, and just as it is, and that this is testable, repeatable, and observable, just as true science demands, and pity that the gods of pseudo science such as Degrasse, reject.
A man would come to these conclusions without the scriptures if he followed the evidence, but happy to report that God, as always, had the last word, and that per your allusion, the firmament says otherwise.
Waters above, waters below, shimmering glass, molten even, with the wink of the rainbow as testament to His person, that His word is good.
And through it all, there is a friend who sticketh closer than a brother.
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What they mean is ‘respect the scientists’, hahaha! As for flat earthers, they have quite a self-affirming community. As someone who is questioning many of my beliefs these days, I respect people who are searching for answers, but I do find the flat earth thing very odd. So true that nature declares the glory of God.
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Ha! Good point about how they really mean, “respect the scientist.” Half the time that guy is just repeating what he has been told, too.
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Insanitybytes,
Good Post message.
I believe a there are a host of scientists who agree with you mainly because of what they come to realize after a time who arrive at same conclusion King Solomon observed
Vanity, all is vanity.
Regards and goodwill blogging.
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LOL! I’m really quite fond of that “all is vanity,” vanity of vanities, even. Another way of saying that is, “don’t sweat the small stuff.” Also, it’s all small stuff.
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Outstanding! “Science is an inanimate thing, it does not require your respect and it is not insecure about allegedly being dishonored.” I just revel in being bludgeoned over the head with this idea of science being settled. As I observe the natural world around me, I conclude how could there not be God, responsible for the violence and beauty of nature. I abstained from the shot and still haven’t contracted the disease, that I am aware of. I have tested negative 6 times in 2020/2021.
I was thinking yesterday given all the recent headlines the irony of the subtitle: See, there’s this thing…
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Ah yes, the bludgeoning has certainly been intense, hasn’t it? I have not had this shot either, and I will not. I seem to have also avoided the disease, while being constantly exposed to heavily vaxxed people who are now on their 2nd or 3rd variant.
“See, there’s thing called biology” is not really an accident, it is based on these night terrors I had repeatedly a child, something I just called “knots.” I didn’t realize until years later how prophetic it all really was, how certain I was that God had intellectual property rights over His design and how so much of the stuff going on today is directly related to attempting to hijack that design, everything from artificial intelligence to genetic modification. So today I just run around trying to mention that human biology has great value, that it really matters, that it is not something to be casually brushed aside and tinkered with.
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What if they had just viewed the SARS Cov2 as just another flu?
I think it’s certainly too late
The common cold a Corona virus was once deadly right?
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It really is just another flu. Yep, many varieties of the common cold are also corona viruses. Viruses always mutate and weaken. Their goal is to replicate, to spread themselves about, not world domination and mass casualties. A successful virus will be so mild, the host hardly even notices he is sick so he runs all over the place and spreads it about.
As to what happens to the whole design when we just hit people’s immune system with repeated doses of synthetic mrna? I don’t know and neither do they. What little we do know just isn’t good.
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I just heard of research that indicated that the mRNA changed DNA in the liver
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Yes, it was really fast I think, like a few hours. They told us that wasn’t possible.
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I like the direction u and IB have taken in respect to her title up top about folklore and now science. It’s settled science right?
Can you imagine Fauci saying ‘of course we know the speed/ spin/ gyrations of earth. Heck, it’s been doing it for 20 billion years, and anybody who contradicts me goes against science!’
Yeah ok, the more I hear these clowns talk of science! the more my antenna raises and sez: the road less travelled is the correct one.
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It seems the consequences of the loss of trust is chaos, which in my opinion is deliberate.
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The evidence of dark shadows can not be denied. Fortunately, there is this thing called Light.
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How would we know if not for the darkness? Just as joy and sorrow are sides of the same coin
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I don’t trust much of anything in this world, but I do believe the earth is round just like I believe Bill Nye is an idiot, and Bill Gates is far worse than an idiot. I do not trust scientists as much as most of the world does some of their so called good medications have nearly killed me for various reasons, and they cannot even make up their minds what is truth and what is not. Don’t eat eggs, eggs are okay, don’t drink milk, milk is okay, etc. How am I suppose to trust people that have the attention span of a gnat and cannot agree on literally anything?
Back to the earth being round I believe there is a clear protective barrier around the earth, and I believe God is consistent in that all the other planets, sun, and moon are basically round so why would He make earth flat? We know the sun is stationary and we move around it as we spin and if the earth was flat the sun would work much differently on this planet than it does. Finally if the earth is flat why haven’t we lost a multitude of ships over the edge? Ocean going ships would have found the literal edge of the earth by now or do they have to sign a nondisclosure before being allowed to buy an ocean going vessel? I have so many questions these people can never answer at least well enough to convince me.
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Hi Js/
Was wondering who ‘these people’ are who can never answer you. But you are among many who assume the earth ‘spins’ and that earth rotates the sun. Why would it do that? Who told you? What evidence and proof is there?
Consider 15 pool balls moving on the table. Bouncing, gryrating, spinning, crashing into each other. So the table is moving underneath the moving balls? Or is the table immovable just as it appears?
The ship thing? Did you ever see anyone fall off a lake? Follow any jet plane above you. Looks like it is flying up as it moves toward you, and down as it flies away. But it neither flies up nor down, but away and towards. This is identical to ships moving away. It is the perspective of the eye.
But it’s a good discussion and people should be willing to face uncomfortable things. But the very word ‘plane’ is generally avoided,
and as a bonus I’ll add, atheism and evolution needs the globe to promote earths insignificance. One of seven planets kind of diminishes earths grandeur yes? But guess what, I’ll think no less of you if you do not agree, and someday you will remember how people with differing views were decent.
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First I never said they weren’t decent people I said they never convinced me. They being those that believe the earth is flat. Why has no one that sails the oceans ever said they found the edge of the earth? There would have to be edges if the earth is flat because it is not infinite.
I also believe the Bible and science can work hand in hand for those with open minds. Never said anything about perspective I know how it works. If it is flat how do you explain the photos of the earth from space or is that just some big conspiracy and we never went to the moon either and my eyes are lying telling me it is round as well?
How do you explain the movement of the sun upon the earth if we are not spinning? How do you explain our yearly cycle of seasons if the planets including earth are standing still?
You may believe differently and that is fine by me, but I believe it works much like a giant clock that God et in motion when He was finished creating. I know many Christians that believe the same as I do so not sure why you believe only atheism and evolution believes the earth is round.
I will also add in the greater scheme of things it really doesn’t matter one way or the other because God never said you have to believe the earth is round or flat.
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Don’t want to be rude and not respond- you have alot of stuff to unpack, but for the sake of the host here, I’ll just address in a few words the most important point you make, as the objections are answered easily enough.
‘It really doesn’t matter one way or the other………..’
I hear that a thousand times a thousand. If not, then everybody is right, every opinion is good as all others, and then there is no such thing as a foundation.
Who builds on sand but to have the next hurricane say adios. So yeah, it matters. Both can be wrong, but both cannot be right.
And yes, the Creator of heaven and earth has not left us in the fog. He gave us reason, our everyday experience, He tells us what is reasonable, what is factual, what is logical, and most importantly, He tells us to ‘be wary of science falsely so-called.’
I’m afraid we don’t do science correctly per His own words. But tkx for engaging.
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I will say this if the earth is round or flat has no bearing on my salvation. Did not say everyone was right or every opinion is good. Twisting people’s words is an old tactic my ex-husband use to do that as well.
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JS
Now we are way into the weeds. I never mentioned salvation. And just for kicks, i do not use the word ‘flat.’
I am big on ‘stationary’ though. Bye now.
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Reblogged this on The Lions Den and commented:
Why reblog? Because ib22 is fearless in discussing anything that is considered fringe by the masses. Her credibility is heightened and strengthened when she says ‘i don’t know.’
Nonetheless, many so-called leaders of ‘science’ refuse to engage the topic at all, citing the conversation as useless, which oddly enough, is the antithesis of true science, which welcomes all inquiry and demands evidence.
Personally, I stay away from the term FE, but I do like Fe as in ‘iron.’ But check out her site if you are unfamiliar, as there is a ton of legendary content.
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