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For those who don’t know, logos is reason, order, logic. Our Lord is sometimes called Logos, as is His word, on account of the fact that He brings order to our chaos. We’ll call this “logos” objective reality or material truth.
Mythos is myth, legend, the stuff of fairytales and romance. We’ll call it subjective truth, how we interpret reality, what we make of things we have been given, how we process the information we receive.
I, like many others, tend to believe our society is having a major crisis of meaning, and that what is missing from the societal recipe is actually mythos. We’ve become very materialistic, very science minded, very anti-religion. We have falsely equated mythos with fiction or lies and as such rejected it as not valid.
This is a tricky point to make because many people look at our crazy world full of confused people where reality appears totally subjective, and falsely conclude that we just need more logos, more reason and facts, more truth, less feelings. That is the wrong diagnosis of the problem and as such, the wrong prescription. When a group of people or a culture is missing it’s mythos, that hunger goes unfulfilled and so it tries to satisfy itself in unhealthy ways.
It seems self evident to me that our materialistic idealization of science and technology has produced some of the craziest, most bizarre, most unrealistic notions our imaginations could possibly conjure up. In fact, I’m afraid to even say that, least we take it as a challenge and try to come up with something crazier.
The more we try to pride ourselves on what reason based creatures we are, the crazier and less reason based we get. We people are total inverters, like we will hang upside down on the monkey bars, complain that the world is upside down, and than proceed to try to fix it in all the wrong ways.
It’s no coincidence that the louder we scream “respect the science,” the louder we also demand everyone respect the pronouns of people who self identify as sea lions. That innate hunger for mythos does not go away, it just begins to express itself in odd and often unhealthy ways. I have a theory that a great deal of our current addiction epidemic has a lot to do with our innate need for mythos going unmet and unfulfilled in modern culture.
Mythos is what gives our lives meaning, it’s what helps us to process our suffering, it’s what connects us to the past, it’s what allows us to honor tradition and history. It is also what connects us to the spiritual, the supernatural. We are social creatures partially lead by our collective narratives. Narratives are simply the stories we would tell one another while sitting around the campfire. They are legends and shared beliefs. Tales of dragon slaying and heroism, where the literal facts are really secondary to the deeper truths that are being conveyed. Mythos is simply another form of truth, and it is truth we desperately need, like our bodies need protein.
Which brings me to venison. The other day I wrote of a deer that was put down and the outrage expressed about it, primarily by those who also seem to subscribe to the narrative that a fetus is just a meaningless clump of cells, or worse yet in some circles, actually deserving of a somewhat celebratory execution. It’s exceedingly bizarre, an irrational juxtaposition, but that really is the narrative. What is missing from the whole recipe is the collective mythos of humanity and without it, we just begin to invert reality.
It is partly from sitting around the campfire sharing legends, myths, and fairytales that we form the mythos that teaches us that our own offspring, the life we create, has tremendous value, sacred value, and bears the image of God, whereas deer are simply beautiful creatures and venison is good for sustaining life. These are deeper truths one cannot learn in an exclusively materialistic environment, one based on alleged reason and logos.
It is the world of mythos that connects us to our children, to a fetus yet unborn, unseen. Faith has a substance, it is real, but it is invested in things hoped for, based on the evidence of things not yet seen. We don’t check out a chair to make sure it is structurally sound and calculate the physics involved, we sit because our mythos has taught us that chairs are built for sitting in.
Abortion is simply a symptom of a materialistic world, a world dominated by logos, a scientific world completely devoid of mythos, and as such, devoid of ethics, too.
Mythos and logos, subjective and objective reality, philosophy is just one form of language we can use to describe this tragic state of affairs. I run about calling myself insanitybytes, speaking of fairytales and romance and embracing the madness, because I know that God lives right on the other side of our own logos, right on the other side of our own pride in our alleged reason, right where He has always been. The absence of mythos, the rejection of spirituality as meaningless “woo” is part of what separates us, not only from our Creator, but from one another.
I sometimes say we are made in the image of our Creator who creates, who spoke the world into existence, so we ourselves are little creators. Our words can also speak things into existence, perhaps not galaxies, but whole worlds just the same. It’s our mythos that can take what God has given us and reflect it back to Him in a pleasing way. What is pleasing to God is also going to be pleasing to us because we are made of the same stuff.
I can’t speak of this without speaking of Jesus, because He is like breathing for me, He is the language I speak, but this same truth about the human need for mythos, as a significant part of a healthy cultural recipe, as foundational to our ethics, is also revealed in philosophy, science, psychology, and the wisdom of tradition and history.
Reblogged this on Citizen Tom and commented:
What is the difference between myth and science. Consider insanitybyte’s post.
Different people express similar concepts with different words, and that is a good thing. When we try to understand each other, we deepen our understanding both of new concepts and of things we have already learned. Thus, I offer a contrast. Consider how I expressed the idea that insanitybytes addresses in her post to Silence of Mind (here => http://citizentom.com/2022/05/08/list-of-young-global-shapers-alumni/comment-page-1/#comment-102604)
As insanitybytes observed, when we speak of God as a myth, that doesn’t necessarily mean we think that God is unreal. Instead, when some believers speak of God as mythical, they are observing the fact that God is an infinite spirit, intangible and beyond our understanding. Moreover, a myth is a type of story, and we learn of God’s character through stories.
What passes for science in the modern world. Because we are prideful, because we want to believe what we want to believe, we often cross the line between science and myth. That is, we assert as factual and scientific things that we cannot prove — don’t have the capacity to prove — using the scientific method. Thus, insanitybytes makes this observation.
Calling an unborn child a fetus does not abrogate our responsibility to protect the unborn. At the same time, calling a fetus an unborn child does not prove we have the responsibility to protect the unborn. That is why we must turn to our Creator to decide whether an unborn child has the right to life.
Because we are finite creatures, there is only so much we can know. To know and understand as much as we can, we must try to understand each other’s point of view. That includes understanding what the other calls myth and science.
Yet even when we speak of man collectively — even in all our billions — we remain finite, small and miniscule. Only God is infinite. Therefore, to truly understand what is true and logical, we must strive to see what He sees. For true logos and for wisdom, we must seek God.
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“A prideful man, because his viewpoint is the only one that matters to him, can see everything only from his own point of view.”
Good point, Tom. That is something else valuable about mythos, it helps to teach us that there are other viewpoints, that the world is not all about us all of the time, and that there are greater ideals that exist outside of us. Our history becomes more of a living history and we can identify and empathize with the people who lived it.
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You’re both wrong and right.
The problem is not that we have too much logos. Neither do we have a lack of mythos.
The problem is that we have turned science into a religion and that we have declared myths to be scientific thruths.
This has happened because man simply cannot live without religion. Therefore, secularists have turned science and ideologies into new forms of religion which are not to be questioned.
Science and logos have been perverted. These perversions have resulted in contradictions and inconsistencies.
Both logos and mythos have great value. The value of reading Homer’s ilias is independent of the question whether the Trojan war really happened or what part of it is invented or not. It reveals deeper, eternal truths and it raises the ageold fundamental questions.
“I, like many others, tend to believe our society is having a major crisis of meaning”
Fully agree.
Viktor Frankl, the psychiatrist who survived a nazi conenctration camp and who wrote the book “Man’s Search for Meaning”, wrote that the number of noogenic neuroses had significantly increased. That was long before he died in 1997.
Noogenic neuroses are caused according to him by a lack of menaning, by an existential crisis.
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Thanks aretaxes – Had to look up Noogenic neurosis.”
Thought it interesting it has to do with “LOGOtherapy,”
And Dr. Viktor Frankl the founder of logotherapy.
From wikipedia
Noogenic neurosis is a term in logotherapy
denoting a form of neurosis stemming from
“existential frustration” (see existential crisis).
The term was coined by Dr. Viktor Frankl,
the founder of logotherapy.
Noogenic refers to the nooetic or
spiritual dimension in humans.
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You’re welcome.
Frankl wasn’t only a genius. He was a great human being.
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I completely agree, man needs religion and without it we simply make other things our religion, like what we are calling “science” today. One problem with that is that science has no ethics, no wisdom. It is not supposed to.
Also, I agree our current culture is so full of anxiety disorders and mental illnesses, partly because we are having a crisis of meaning. Like, everything is mental illness today, which must always be due to a totally scientific chemical imbalance, completely separate from how we live or the choices we make or what we may have experienced. We seem to have forgotten that religion is also therapeutic, that it helps us to process our ailments and cope with them.
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Amen to everything you say.
The corona crisis was the first crisis in human history in which religion was prevented from fully utilizing its healing powers.
Church services were declared non-essential. The church must return to its roots and refuse to bow to an overreach by the state even if that means: returning to the catacombs.
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I have always believed that myth and legend is mostly untrue there is truth in them, nut how much is the question. Logic can be taken to far and we as humans tend to do that with myth and logic. The Bible for instance people say it is nothing, but myth and legend and that to me is a lie. The Bible is complete truth and I believe in every word of it.
As for abortion being a symptom of a materialistic world has truth in it there is more to it. Babies have been sacrificed since mankind worshiped such demons as Baal and Moloch throwing them into fire to be burned alive. It is still a sacrifice today they just call it something else so it falls a bit easier on the ear.
The worship of animals also dates back to biblical times such as the golden calf. India worships thousands of demon gods and chief of them being Shiva who can present as male or female and sometimes both. So it is no wonder that gender confusion has made it here. There are those that worship trees and many other things and much of it started with believing myths are true. Like there are many that believe elves and fairies are real. That aliens are real and they talk to them and I will say if they are hearing voices it is not aliens or little people they are talking to.
A preacher called Creflo Dollar has said that we are little gods because when dogs get together (mate) they produce dogs, and when cats get together (mate) they produce cats, so when the Godhead gets together ( was he suggesting the Godhead mated?) so we are little gods. I completely reject that and believe it is blasphemy. God created us not ended up pregnant. Not only that but the Godhead is all male.
Our words do have power, but we have to be careful of saying we can create with them. The only reason we are above animals and the rest of creation is because God placed us there and if He removed His restraint on the evil of this world we would see how animal like humans really are. We see small doses of it here and there, but never to full extent it will be sometime in the future. Once the Rapture happens this world will fall into a madness it has never known before and will never know again and material things will be thrown aside for everything carnal.
Logic does matter and I see nothing wrong with reading myths as long as you don’t see it as truth it is a balance. Our faith in the Word of God is what needs to be first in our lives and everything else secondary.
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A lot of the Christian world has been taught to be afraid of mythos, and we also have bought into the cultural lie that mythos means “not real.” This is why we still have great arguments over how the Bible is the literal truth. I try to remind people that even Jesus spoke in parables, that He understood that was an important way of conveying the truth. There is wisdom and truth in the story of the rich young ruler for example and it is somewhat irrelevant whether the guy really existed or where he is buried or what his name is. What we learn from the tale of the Prodigal son is not a literal, historical truth, a factual account of event, it is actually a spiritual and emotional one. When we read these words devoid of relationship and connection, we miss out on their richness and the experience of really knowing Jesus.
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While I agree that parables are valuable in teaching lessons the myth I was speaking of has more to do with say Greek mythology and while I believe there is a smidge of truth in them they are for the most part only stories. My problem with calling Jesus parables myths most people go to it isn’t the truth. So I feel the parables should be kept separate from myths and legends.
I used teachable lessons or stories with my kids growing up and I never would have wanted them to be confused with their favorite story. People already believe to many fanciful myths about angels, demons, hell, and Adams supposed first wife Lilith. So calling anything in the Bible myth is bound to only cause even more confusion. So parable, teachable story, or life lessons at least doesn’t speak of fanciful stories like the Greeks, Romans, and so many others have written that only have a tiny bit of truth if any truth at all.
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Wow!!! Thank you for this, mythos…
Your post caused a new curiosity.
I always thought “mythos,” “myth,” was mostly fiction, NOT accurate.
Just something passed down, generation to generation.
Like…
Life is often a Myth…
Sometimes a Mythtery
Sometimes a Mythstake
Sometimes a Mithconception
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Didn’t know another way… Yet…
Had to use, the “Logos,” “reason, order, logic.”
To gain some understanding of “Mythos.” 🤓
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Mythos = definition
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/mythos
1 – the underlying system of beliefs,
especially those dealing with supernatural forces,
characteristic of a particular cultural group.
2 – Myth
3 – Mythology
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Yes… I like this… A lot…
Mythos – The underlying system of beliefs,
especially those dealing with supernatural forces.
I wonder what will become of this new understanding.
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Mythos is kind of what makes our world come alive, it assigns value, it gives us meaning, context, and purpose. So in Hebrews it says, “For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.”
Without any mythos, we are just reading that flat and dry, devoid of context, devoid of the heart. Then we are just arguing about how a book is not really a sword and how our thoughts are produced in our brains not our hearts. The modern world is so full of knowledge and little factoids, but very little wisdom, very little ability to really hear the music.
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I love this post IB and it caused me to shift my thinking a bit in pondering what the heck is going on in our world. I’ve been screaming against the wind of illogic, trying to show facts and real science, but it goes nowhere. The missing mythos has caused many to form the most ridiculous beliefs that have become religion in their hearts which is not easily penetrable.
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Exactly Tricia, we’re coming up against religion and ideology formed around things that never should have been placed in that position. “Science” for example, only has value if it can be questioned, if it can be thrown out and rejected the moment something is shown to be untrue. I mean, that is pretty much the very definition of science! Really scary because science has no ethics, no morality, no meaning, no wisdom of it’s own. Wisdom requires mythos.
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Thank you, Clyde. Much appreciated. 🙂
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H/T Citizen Tom
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“It’s no coincidence that the louder we scream “respect the science,” the louder we also demand everyone respect the pronouns of people who self identify as sea lions.”
Sometimes it backfires, too. When the crazies are self-identifying with things that are demonstrably false, it takes away from their social agenda. In Roe v. Wade, I was always told my opinion didn’t matter because I didn’t have female genitalia. Well, for the sake of arguing with any of my far left loony friends, I’m self identifying as a woman, or birthing person, just to get my two cents in. 😀
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Lol! Right? I just spent two years saying “my body, my choice” about the vaccine and being told I should have no say in the matter. Sheesh!
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