First let me say, I really like Sean Feucht, I think he is adorable. I’m really grateful for his worship all across America. I’m really proud of how he stood firm in Seattle and Portland. That was so not for the faint of heart! They had to go up against public officials and law enforcement and some people threw buckets of blood on them. It’s a war zone sometimes, I’m telling you.
Just the same, there is a separation, a disagreement, minor but substantial, and it makes me hesitate. He has written his “open letter to church leaders” that has really helped to solidify my objections. Right out of the gate, what is with this constant obsession with “leadership” within the church? Are we people not called to be “followers” of Jesus? Where are all the followers conferences? Isn’t the church supposed to be place for followers of Jesus to gather? Don’t we followers of Jesus take the church out the door with us and attend to our ministry as His representatives?
The job of leadership is to “equip the saints.” Instead we have all these churchian hierarchies going on where everyone is in competition for a leadership position, also a book deal, an album deal, a podcast. It does look just like the world, the corporate world, the entertainment world. The Christian world is all about instagram, skinny jeans, shiplap, and book signings.
I have very little use for any alleged church “leadership.”
Next he speaks of “unfriending the world.” Well, that’s sort of Biblical, except the church practically invented the very notion of modern cancel culture! The church has been unfriending those perceived to be their “enemies of God” since forever. Single moms, rape victims, child abuse survivors, domestic violence victims, the divorced. I want to believe people in the church are set apart, different from the world, but we’re often not, we’re still people. People are broken, fractured, imperfect. We don’t love one another properly, heck we don’t even know how to. Most of the time we’re just a bunch of self righteous virtue signalers.
That’s where the left learned how to do it so well.
To really irk my feathers, he says, “It is time to retake the high-ground, and start dictating the terms of the fight!”
Dictating? Seriously? Dictating??! After the past two years of complete bovine poo, this is the best you can come up with, more dictating? So, the totalitarianism is not the problem, the dictating is not the problem, the problem is that WE aren’t getting to be the dictators in charge?
Pfffttt…
Let the record show, the church will never dictate anything to me, ever. I’ll cheerfully die first. I serve a Lord who came to set the captives free and “whom the Son sets free is free indeed.” I take my freedom very seriously.
Sigh. Sean seals the deal even more by writing, “Whatever happened to the “moral majority” of the 80s, and “Focus on the Family” in the 90s, and the church leaders’ collective discernment, conviction and unity to organize boycotts and raise a standard?”
Isn’t it incredible how one person’s memory of an alleged paradise is another’s nightmare? I really stepped into faith in the 80’s-90’s because so many of the moral majority were just faceplanting, scandal after scandal, affair after affair, corruption after corruption. Like literally the Lord said, okay girl, are you going to just sit there quietly and let a pedophile be the only one left to publicly represent me? Over and over and over again. It was a bit like trying to get a stone to cry out because I didn’t even want to tell people I was a “Christian.” Why? Because it’s usually “the church” who comes after you! That unveiling, that ugliness, was washed in the tears of so many child sexual abuse victims, hundreds of them, thousands. I lost count.
What a beautiful time to be alive, the immoral majority was in charge of the church.
True story and it’s hurting some people’s feelings, but I can hardly stand the sight of conservatives these days! I grow weary of hearing about all the pedophiles in Hollywood, the erosion of our public schools, as if this is something that just started happening last week. I’m not even a spring chicken anymore! Where the heck have you all been???
The prostitutes that literally walk the streets of Hollywood, both boys and girls, average 14 years old and they’ve been walking those streets for well over a century. Same is true in Seattle or Portland or any other major city. I was taught in public school about the alleged joys of gender identity, CRT, socialism, transgenderism, and Marxism some thirty five years ago. Where have you even been??
Sometimes I get worried because the church has so little authority, but most of the time I rejoice, because the church has so little authority. That means God does and He is taking it back for Himself. That’s what I want to see, Jesus sitting at the head of our table once again. If Jesus is not the head, what use is the church??
He concludes by saying, “I will gladly choose to unfriend the world if it means friendship with Christ.” Yes well, “… For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.”
It’s a good thing Jesus didn’t sit around like the church does today, busy trying to figure out who to unfriend next, because a good chunk of the church wouldn’t even make the cut.
Notice here how that Jesus does not seem to be exhorting or admonishing, but is blandly stating a fact, that among His people leadership will be this way and not that way.
Matthew 20:
25 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them, and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
26 But it shall not be so among you: but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
27 And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
28 Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Mark 10:
42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
44 And whosoever of you will be the chiefest, shall be servant of all.
45 For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.
Luke 22:
25 And he said unto them, The kings of the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and they that exercise authority upon them are called benefactors.
26 But ye shall not be so: but he that is greatest among you, let him be as the younger; and he that is chief, as he that doth serve.
27 For whether is greater, he that sitteth at meat, or he that serveth? is not he that sitteth at meat? but I am among you as he that serveth.
In other words, the only way to lead the people of Christ is to “serve” them.
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A big amen to that! We follow Jesus, we serve people as best we can. Instead we seem to follow people and think we’re serving Jesus.
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Gee, IB, tell us how you REALLY feel. 😏
I’m often reminded of how when Jesus walked the earth, people in the religious establishment were His worst enemies. So this has been going on for a long time. It’s kind of a testimony to the truth of Christianity that it has survived 2000 years of bad behavior by “Christians.”
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Ha! I’m trying to be gentle.
The other day I watched a biography of Shirley Temple, so happening way back in the depression. One of her first movies is “Baby Burlesque” and she literally plays a prostitute at 3 or four years old. It is really disturbing how she is held up as a cultural ideal, the epitome of childhood innocence, and yet also heavily sexualized, by the church, by numerous clergymen, by the pop culture at large. So here we are some 80 years later clutching our pearls and acting as if the world just suddenly got all dark for no reason. Actually, what happened is that we just reap what we sow! We are currently living with the fruit of what we have supported, embraced, condoned, and ignored for ages.
There is good news in all that! You really have to drag everything out in the sunlight before you can remodel and try to build something better.
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More dictators, yay! My Mom used to listen to James Dobson daily back in the 90s. One problem with trying to emulate that model is that it was so ridiculously ineffective, I think this was because they sought to occupy a space which wasn’t there’s to occupy. For example, by making the composition of marriage a political issue they guaranteed that if public opinion ever changed on that issue they would lose. But it’s not a political issue, it’s a religious issue. Instead of trying the issue to politics they should have worked to divorce it from politics by moving in a politically libertarian direction and declaring that the Church, not the state, should have the authority to issue marriage licenses. Since our country is based on an idea of free religion that means any church, with any definition of marriage. Not what you like, but by trying to usurp power that was theirs they gave up the power that they actually did have.
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Oh yes, you make a great point about marriage! We made it political and so now it is regulated by politics, marriage licenses and statutes, and no longer really under the jurisdiction of the church.
There are numerous social services like that too, I mean we were called to look out for widows and orphans, but instead we turned to secular authorities to provide a solution, and so now we have people trapped in poverty and the erosion of family going on. As a church we need to take responsible for the territory we willingly ceded, not act as if we have no idea what happened.
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Yeah, and probably stop making the same mistakes over and over again.
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Yup…“I have very little use for any alleged church “leadership.”
Seems Jesus has a unique take on “Leadership” for **His Disciples.**
“ONE”
And, **His Disciples** must have believed Jesus… Because…
In the Bible, NOT one of **His Disciples** called them self “Leader.”
NOT one of **His Disciples** called another Disciple “Leader.”
Mat 23:10-12 NASB
Do NOT be called leaders;
for “ONE” is your Leader, that is, Christ.
But the greatest among you shall be your “Servant”.
Whoever exalts himself shall be humbled;
and whoever humbles himself shall be exalted.
Humble – a modest or low estimate of one’s own importance.
Know many? any? who take the position of Leader?
Or church leader? Or christian leader? Or spiritual leader?
Who are Humble?
Having a modest or low estimate of their own importance?
Jesus also said…
John 5:41 – I receive *NOT* honour from men.
John 5:44 – How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another,
and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
When someone aknowledges you as a “Leader?”
Or church leader? Or spirirtual leader? Or christian leader?
Are you, “Receiving Honor” from men?
Jesus also said…
John 7:18 – He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory…
John 8:50 – And I seek not mine own glory…
When you let people know, you’re a “leader?”
Or church leader? Or spirirtual leader? Or christian leader?
Is that, “seeking your own glory?”
Why do you want to be known as a “leader?”
Why do you want people to follow you?
And NOT follow Jesus?
——-
Isa 3:12 KJV
…O my people, *they which lead thee*
cause thee to err,
and destroy the way of thy paths.
Isa 9:16 KJV
For *the leaders* of this people
cause them to err;
and they that are led of them are destroyed.
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I really like how Jesus said, “Why do you call me good? There are none good but the Father.” There are a lot of things going on in that verse, but one is that not even a perfect, sin free man chose to point to Himself and proclaim His own goodness.
I also really like Matthew 23, the whole thing, but especially, “And don’t let anyone call you ‘Teacher,’ for you have only one teacher, the Messiah.”
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When I read about leadership in the Church, the Vatican immediately came to mind. An old priest once told me that if the Church didn’t really have the Holy Spirit for its foundation, it would have collapsed years ago from sheer mismanagement and corruption. There have actually been Popes (like Benedict) who’ve resigned and gone back to the simple spirituality of the monastery because they couldn’t stand it any more.
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IB, Yes… Jesus, is teaching **His Disciples.**
‘“And don’t let anyone call you ‘Teacher,’
for you have only “ONE” teacher, the Messiah.”
It does take a step of faith to believe and trust…
That Jesus “can speak to you” and **teach you** “ALL” truth.
There are a few scriptures that remind me…
God, The Father, Jesus, The Holy Spirt…
Desires to be “The “ONE” Teacher”
John 6:45
It is written in the prophets,
And they shall be ALL taught of God.
Deuteronomy 4:36
Out of heaven HE made thee to hear HIS voice,
that HE might instruct thee:
Psalms 32:8
I will *instruct thee and *teach thee
in the way which thou shalt go:
I will *guide thee with mine eye.
John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,
whom the Father will send in my name,
HE shall teach you ALL things…
John 16:13
Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
he will guide you into all truth…
1 John 2:20
Ye have an *unction from the Holy One, and ye *know ALL things.
*unction = anointing – the inaugural ceremony for priests
*know = perceive, discern, discover.
1 John 2:26-27
These things have I written unto you
concerning them that seduce you.
27 But the *anointing which ye have received of him
abideth in you, **and ye need NOT that any man teach you:**
but as the same *anointing teacheth you
of all things, and is truth, and is no lie…
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I take comfort in the fact that God is in control and always will be. Nothing happens here without His consent. Having said that the church no matter the denomination or no denomination annoys the crap out of me. I go after charismatics a lot in my blog because they are horrible, but are most “regular” churches any better? Most of them are so far asleep they couldn’t quote you even the shortest Bible verse. Most pastors leave out a full 1/3 of the Bible from their sermons because it has uncomfortable language and so most people no longer believe hell, demons, and the devil exist. Sermons in charismatic churches whip people into a frenzy of talking like a toddler with a mouthful of mashed potatoes and barking like dogs. Rolling around on the floor pulling their own hair and laughing like maniacs and this I saw first hand when I was about 14 it scared me so bad I ran out of the church and all the way home.
I have been to churches so mundane it would literally put people to sleep you could hear more snoring than praising. Jesus says come as you are, but He does not say stay as you are and those that openly practice sin need the gospel, but you have to be careful allowing drag queens and such to be a part of a church and there are churches that do allow this. Just like there are churches now openly promoting witchcraft, readings from mediums, tarot cards, and ouija boards, and those things fly in the face of Jesus.
So does one calling for dictator surprise me? No, and neither does someone wanting control I mean someone has to organize all those rolling around on the floor, make sure the barkers bite no one, hand out the tarot cards, ouija boards, and get the drag queens, and mediums set up for business. I doubt you can tell the contempt I have for the average church. As you said IB we are called to follow Jesus not a man, not a building, and not a denomination. The fact is the majority of so-called Christians have never read any of the Bible they rely solely on one man to tell them what to believe. No thanks, I don’t need all of that I do not want to be blind and comfortable. I try to help people find the truth through my blog, but I tell them not to take my word for it read the Bible it is the only authority.
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I wish you could visit our church sometime. It’s like a big family. They take care of one another, whether someone needs help moving, or meals for the family after a birth or surgery, or a ride to the doctor or airport, cleaning up the neighborhood, or praying for one another – does this church PRAY! Their weekly prayer meeting usually has 200-300 in attendance, and they pray very specific prayers for very specific needs – and we see those prayers answered! Most of the prayer requests are evangelical, where the member is sharing the gospel with a friend or neighbor or classmate or coworker.
Their singing is beautiful – no rolling on the ground, no shrieking, just beautiful harmonies. It’s especially beautiful when the instruments stop at the last verse, and about 500 people sing acapella. The preacher is very well educated, and at the same time he talks like a human being. And every Tuesday, they invite whoever wants to come to “service review,” where we can give feedback on the service, ask questions, even make suggestions. I don’t know too many preachers that would invite constructive criticism like that. In fact, I know of no other church like this one. I am SO blessed!
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your church does sound like a great place to be and I am so happy for you. It is indeed a rare thing to have a church so full of love. I wish I could visit because I think I would love it there. It makes me happy to hear that your church prays and for specific things not just the same prayer over and over like they think it is a magic formula of some kind.
Praise and singing is such a beautiful thing when it is from the heart and it has been a very long time since I have seen that anywhere. Keep that place safe pray it is never infiltrated by those that would love nothing more than to destroy it because they are out there. May God truly bless you and your church home and keep it safe.
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Thanks, jsneese. They try to do things biblically in my church, and there have been people who lost their membership. I have seen it happen at our members’ meeting. They don’t give us a lot of details, but it is evident that people have been reaching out to them for months without repentance. The most recent case involved a couple who continued to sow discord among the members after repeated warnings. So I guess my point is, this is not a group of perfect people, but they do try to recognize and deal with troublemakers (I never used the word “infiltrate” before, but it fits.) in a loving but firm way
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I applaud your church for removing those that sow discontent and it is absolutely biblical to do so. I used the infiltrate because the pastor I listen to uses that word. He was saved from the occult and tells how many people are trained to infiltrate Christian churches and sow discontent through gossip and such. Unfortunately many churches have been torn a part because they were weak and God’s Word was not taught or followed.
No one is perfect, but it seems to me that your church is doing its best to follow what the Bible teaches and that is always the best choice to make. It is rare for a church to remove troublemakers these days so good on you and your church.
I find it ironic that many people worry about what politicians are going to do to the church when the fact is most churches are destroyed from the inside out.
I pray God keeps blessing your church and you all stay vigilant.
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LOL! I sure appreciate bumping into Jsneese who speaks plainly and shares what is on her mind, not in a mean way, but just telling it like it is. That is refreshing.
I know a lot of people who really love Jesus, but just can’t warm up to the church. I wish they could all go visit Annie’s church, and all the churches like hers. There really are a lot of good ones, doing some sweet things and acting like a family.
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Oh IB thank you you made me tear up. I am blunt but never set out to hurt anyone because that defeats the purpose of Jesus’ message to the world. I will not skimp on the truth either so sometimes it happens.
I do love Jesus so much that I cannot even explain it. I do wish I could visit Annie’s church because I do think it could be a home for me. I do however have an online church the pastor is Billy Crone it is Sunrise church in Henderson Nevada. He is one who also tells it like it is. The interesting thing about him is he was saved from the occult. If you ever get curious look him up on YouTube. I am also very thankful I found you IB and I mean that you not only show me how to see some things differently and the humor you throw in is amazing.
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That on- line church sounds fascinating. I’ll have to look them up. By the way, my church is in Louisville, KY. If you’re ever going to be in the area, let me know. 🙂👍
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Pastor Billy Crone is an interesting man and id not afraid to preach on what most pastors avoid like the plague. He also has a website http://www.getalifemedia.com he has extensive studies in many areas dealing with the occult and such. I will do that if I ever get over that way I live near San Antonio Texas and being disabled I don’t travel a lot. Oh he also has a physical church in Henderson Nevada if you ever get out that way.
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Catch me up a little on some things. Who are these pedos you’re speaking of ? I don’t know your history . As for people seeking a king to lead them, it’s always like that , isn’t it ? I’ve been researching the YouTube guru phenomenon for the past week. Seems that people really do want their ears tickled , but they don’t want to submit to the real God. They just want to be “spiritual “. For example , Tolle. My first time hearing him talk. So sure of himself and his ideas are recycled new age teachings, sound good, but yet a universe away from truth.
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Oh, pedos are everywhere and always have been! I speak of conservatives who seem to have just discovered Hollywood, Epstein Island, and assorted recent creepiness from Disney. Also, the frequent idealization of children in pride parades and Drag Queen Story hour at public libraries. Sean and others are just outraged, as they should be! It’s just that this stuff has been going on for decades, perhaps centuries, and the message from conservatives has usually been, just be quiet, bury it under the rug, don’t talk about it.
The guru phenomenon is just sad because people are literally starving for something spiritual. I sometimes joke wryly about how everyone in my neck of the woods is super spiritual…except for the Christians. We need to be feeding that hunger people have, offering them the very best alternative to all the world’s rubbish.
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Oh okay , I thought you meant pedos in the church 😬. Don’t forget little girls wearing makeup in pageants. Ugh!
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When I was a kid my mom sent us to the Salvation Army and at that time and for many years the preacher was a man named Capt Woods he was loved by all the parents and they trusted him with their kids. In the summer he and his wife would take the boys on camping trips. Years later he was arrested because it came out that he was not only molesting those boys, but with his wife’s help he also tortured them by branding several of them with coat hangers. I never forgot that and when I had kids they never went on trips like because I trusted no one but my sister with them.
If you want to see some spiritual people that will raise some eyebrows and needs of hefty dose of the gospel visit Austin Texas. Their motto is “Keep it weird” and boy do they. Austin nearly turned into San Francisco with needles and poo everywhere, but our governor threatened them with the national guard and they cleaned it up. Thankfully where I live people have a bit more sense.
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“I can hardly stand the sight of conservatives these days! I grow weary of hearing about all the pedophiles in Hollywood, the erosion of our public schools, as if this is something that just started happening last week. I’m not even a spring chicken anymore! Where the heck have you all been??? The prostitutes that literally walk the streets of Hollywood, both boys and girls, average 14 years old and they’ve been walking those streets for well over a century. Same is true in Seattle or Portland or any other major city. I was taught in public school about the alleged joys of gender identity, CRT, socialism, transgenderism, and Marxism some thirty five years ago. Where have you even been??”
This is something I’ve been seeing on Conservative websites these days and I can’t figure it out. Like this article today:
https://amgreatness.com/2022/04/20/how-america-became-la-la-land/
This joker actually wants people to believe that our problems only started since Biden seized power. Our society, Conservatives included, must really be living in a bubble if they think, for example, that the Energy Crisis only began last year. This was an issue in the Election of 1976!
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Right?! What in the world?
Part of what bothers me is that this is also really bad political strategy. Their eagerness to blame the left and Biden is making them all appear out of touch, disconnected from the rest of humanity, and so not a viable alternative.
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I appreciate you encouraging WE, His Ekklesia, His Church, His Body…
To focus on being “called to be Followers of Jesus.”
“Are we people not called to be “followers” of Jesus?
Where are all the followers conferences?”
I checked the Gospels…
After leaving Todays Abusive Religious System…
The only “Leader” Jesus taught **His Disciples** to “Follow” was “Himself.”
The “ONE” Leader – The “ONE” Teacher – The “ONE” Shepherd
Except once – where they were to follow a pitcher of water. 🙂
Mt 4:19 …*Follow ME,* and I will make you fishers of men.
Mt 8:19 … I will *Follow thee* whithersoever thou goest.
Mt 8:22 …*Follow ME;* and let the dead bury their dead.
Mt 9:9 … *Follow me.* And he arose, and *FOLLOWED him.*
Mt 16:24 …let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and *Follow ME.*
Mt 19:21 …and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and *Follow ME.*
Mr 2:14 …Levi… *Follow me.* And he arose and *Followed him.*
Mr 5:37 he suffered no man to *Follow him,* save Peter, and James, and John…
Mr 6:1 …came into his own country; and his disciples *Follow him.*
Mr 8:34 …Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself…and *Follow ME.*
Mr 10:21 …One thing thou lackest…take up the cross, and *Follow ME.*
Mr 14:13 …there shall meet you a man bearing a pitcher of water: Follow him.
Luke 5:27 … Levi, sitting at the receipt of custom: said unto him, *Follow ME.*
Luke 9:23 And he said to them “ALL” If any man will COME AFTER ME,
……let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and Follow ME.
Luke 9:57 …Lord, I will *Follow thee* whithersoever thou goest.
Luke 9:59 And he said unto another, *Follow ME*…
Luke 9:61 …Lord, I will *Follow thee;* but let me first go bid them farewell…
Luke 18:22 …distribute unto the poor… and come, *Follow ME.*
Luke 22:10 …bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house…
John 1:43 …Jesus… findeth Philip, and saith unto him, *Follow ME.*
John 10:4 …and the sheep *Follow him:* for they know his voice.
John 10:5 And *a stranger will they not Follow,* but will flee from him…
John 10:27 MY sheep hear MY voice, and I know them, and they *Follow ME:*
John 12:26 If any man serve me, let him *Follow ME*…
John 13:36 …Whither I go, thou canst not *Follow ME* now…
John 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I Follow thee now?…
John 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God.
……. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, *Follow ME.*
John 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come,
…… what is that to thee? *Follow thou ME.*
Why isn’t what Jesus said important?
I can NOT find anyone, telling believers – “Lead” one another.
I can find – By love ”Serve” one another.
I can find Jesus, teaching **His Disciples,**
NOT to be “called “Leaders,” and NONE did.
I can find Jesus, teaching **His Disciples,**
MY Sheep – Hear MY Voice – and FOLLOW ME.
What is popular is NOT always “Truth.”
What is “Truth” is NOT always popular.
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