So, several years ago I went traipsing through the alt right, the manosphere, and the red pills. During that internet journey I met a lot of quirky characters, some downright vile as in genuinely hostile, racist, misogynist, and let’s just add blasphemous to the mix. Vile, I tell ya. Not all mind you, but some of them.
I met some people like Dalrock, Vox Day, Milo Yiannopoulos, Tomassi, and Roosh. And by “met,” I mean they mostly spit fiery darts at me in their comment sections and tried to get rid of me as fast as possible.
So back then I was bitter, jaded, cynical, kind of sarcastic like, oh yeah Lord, so let’s see you fix this total train wreck! I’d lost something, hope perhaps, trust, safety. I didn’t believe God answered prayers anymore. It’s a bit amusing too, because Roosh was well, gleefully promiscuous and Milo was a flaming homosexual. I’m not giving away any secrets, these men have publicly written about their own stories extensively. My point being, traipsing around in the annals of wounded and hostile male sexuality is not my usual forte. I totally know why I did it, I needed to understand the wounding and to find a way to empathize, but I had no idea what the Lord was really doing within me.
He was restoring my faith, repairing my hope, rebuilding my trust, and making me very brave, by dropping me into a den of rabid wolves. Ha! I just love it. That’s the Lord I know. He writes such good stories, you don’t even see Him coming. It all makes sense today, but it sure had me scratching my head at the time.
This is actually my story within their story, as in never mind what all those guys were doing, the Holy Spirit was busy doing a great work in me, which brings me to what I really want to say. Your story is never all about you, you impact other people, people you don’t even know. The Lord often uses your life, your struggles to do something in the lives of others, even when you don’t realize it. There is always a sub-plot going on, a tale woven within a tale. God is sovereign, there are no two bit players, no insignificant characters in His love story. Remember that. You matter.
So eventually the Lord really pressed it on my heart to pray for some of these guys, which I did so faithlessly, so reluctantly, like huge eyeroll here because I was absolutely certain it was a pointless waste of time. I said I was “faithless,” but you know, obedience when you aren’t feeling it, aren’t believing it, aren’t trusting in it, IS still faith.
I got interested in Milo’s story because of my work with adult survivors of sexual abuse which led me to realize that nearly every homosexual I knew had been sexually abused as a child and groomed into a lifestyle. You can get yourself into a whole lot of trouble saying that, but dang it, it’s the truth. Something just crushed my spirit when I realized it, when I sensed what it must be like to adopt your abuse as your entire identity. Milo like so many, insisted that he wasn’t a “victim” of a much older priest, that it was consensual, that homosexuality was just his identity. And when young girls are abused by men they often do something very similar, “it’s my fault, I’m the root cause, it’s the result of my very identity.” Victims of abuse will often cover up the sins of pedophiles, even twist their own psyches to provide spiritual and emotional cover for perpetrators.
Never say never. God is in the business of changing things, of restoring what is stolen, of healing what is broken. And He answers prayers. Here we are after 8 years of “faithless” prayers when I didn’t have a hope in the world that things would ever change. Dalrock went and decided to close down his blog. Vox Day shut down his alpha game blog. Roosh gave up his whole lifestyle, deleted his porn, and is now an orthodox Christian. Milo who actually married a man, is now rethinking or “re-hearting” his homosexuality and rediscovering his faith.
And I have been given a new hope, a restored faith, a healed heart. More grace, more compassion, more trust, more intimacy with the Lord.
Milo and Roosh hold a special place with me because sometimes when you pray for someone your heart for them softens, and when we “rejoice with those who rejoice; mourn with those who mourn,” we build a kind of spiritual relationship. I’m really proud of them, proud of who they are becoming in Christ, and so grateful for how the Lord used them so beautifully to bless me.
They are still probably a train wreck as we all are, but they are now a train wreck in the hand of the Great Potter and He changes everything.
Today when I feel tempted to despair, when I feel hopeless, when that cynic in me starts to roll her eyes and to whisper, yeah Lord, so let’s see you fix this total train wreck, I just imagine Him saying, Okay beloved, hold my beer.
I was just asking God yesterday how he wants me to behave in light of all that is going on with the LGBT community and our nation. Then as I was waking up this morning he reminded me of his verse to bless everyone, then I read your blog. On my knees I go! Thanks so much for writing!
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Amen! We’re called to love people, to pray for them, even when we disagree.
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Totally agree with you about praying for people. Not so much about the “LGBT comes from abuse” theory. Guessing your sample might be restricted.
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It’s okay, we can disagree. Interesting to me how feminists are made from abuse, from the abuse of patriarchy. Social justice warriors are born of perceived abuse, systemic racism. When it comes to homosexuality however, we just slam the door and insist people are born that way and not influenced by abuse at all. Everybody else in in this world is shaped by our life experiences and our perceptions, how we process various traumas, but we insist that homsexuality is the one thing that is exclusively biological with no spiritual, emotional, or psychological aspects going on.
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Hopefully productively and with friendship, anyway.
I’m not sure homosexuality is the only thing people think is innate, actually. Might depend on which people we have in mind.
The theory that “homosexuality is caused by sexual abuse” which you seem to be advancing, and the claim that movements like feminism and anti-racism are responses to perceived abuses, seem to use the term “abuse” in two different ways. And to be kind of different ideas about how people respond to abuse, too, but I would have to think about that some more.
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And in the midst of a leftist culture which believes they follow science and we Christians don’t even believe in science, they take their stand on “homosexuals are born with those desires” with no scientific evidence. It’s one of those things—if you say it often enough, you etch it into the conscience of the people, and then it becomes fact.
Becky
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God does move in mysterious ways does He not!? And I for one am certainly glad đŸ¥°
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I found your blog thanks to Dalrock. I came here to defend him, and I stayed because it’s a great blog.
Your examples of the so-called “manosphere,” Dalrock, Vox Day, Milo Yiannopoulos, Tomassi, and Roosh, are all very different, the similarities are actually superficial. Not unironically Dalrock is the best of this bunch. It’s easy for me to defend him because he is right. Being right and telling the truth doesn’t mean you aren’t mean and hurt people’s feelings. In fact, in this present aeon, it’s impossible to tell the truth without being mean and hurting people’s feelings and cutting them to the quick. You know this yourself, IB, which is a big reason why I love you so much.
I happen to be one of those who calls Vox Day “Teddy Spaghetti” just to annoy him and his idiotic minions. I share a staunch nationalism with him but he’s too erratic for me to trust him. Notice, also, that none of these guys are or ever were “MGTOW.” Vox Day and Rollo Tomassi hate and despise MGTOWs with every nanofibre of their being. Dalrock is married, Roosh was PUA, and Milo was and I believe for the time being is still a homosexual.
Not many seem capable of understanding that the reason I am MGTOW has nothing to do with women or female nature, as such. It has everything to do with the relationship between my own personal nature and personality and what we call “Society.”
I hate and despise this present “Society” with every nanofibre of my being. I will not submit to its evil dictates. I will not bend my will to something I believe with all my heart is evil and wicked and Satanic and based on the doctrines of devils. I opt out as much as I can possibly opt out without outright committing suicide, which is against my spiritual convictions. I don’t have to live in a cave, I find I am able to live out my life being in this wicked Society without being of it. If it had been possible for me to marry and have children without submitting to the wickedness of this world I would have tried it, but I could not see how it could be possible. Not saying it is impossible, I’m just saying I can’t see it.
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Thank you for sticking around. I share some similar feelings about “society.” I have a couple of BIL who are mgtow.
In my case, in very liberal crazy world, marriage, family, church, all became an act of rebellion, a way to defy the society of drag queen story hour at the public library.
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Where I was born and where I still live and where I’m destined to die, that is, the San Fran Psycho Bayarrhea Gruberfornia USA, rebelling the way you describe did not appear to be an option for me. Even the “traditional” “Christian” “Conservative” people here are corrupt and liberal and saturated with communism. Perhaps their souls can be saved, but, I’ve met exactly NONE with whom I would consider trying to build a traditional life. Not only that, I have never met anyone who lives around here that I would hire as an employee, both because employees are personally unreliable but also the system makes them expensive and dangerous.
But I will confess that your way is more rebellious than my way. They hate you and people like you infinitely more than they hate me and people like me. I walked away from the game, whilst people like you pick up the game board and bash them on the skull with it, repeatedly, which impresses me immensely.
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Thank you for your kind words, much appreciated.
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Good stuff IB. Praying for those you despise, at least whose actions you despise is the challenge of our day I’d say. God never disappoints.
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The only scripture Jesus and his disciples had we call the Old Testement. I read it sometimes just at random. But this time, right before I came here, I happened to be reading a guest post over at The Reason For My Faith: https://onevike.blogspot.com/2021/03/life-lessons-from-chariots-of-fire.html
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Great testimony of faithless hope! I think that’s how I’m praying for a whole generation being poisoned by the radical left. Rather than watching the news and throwing my TV out the window, I’m praying (rather faithlessly) for a major awakening from the woketopian pipedream they’re being sold. Actually, I do have some actual hope. đŸ™‚
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What I appreciated about the alt-right back when it was more of a thing was the freedom in their ideas. The sense of pain and abuse was palpable, particularly with Milo, but the unwillingness to let anyone tell them what to think was pretty refreshing. This was an intellectual movement that actually encouraged open mindedness and *gasp* humility, even though it also encouraged rudeness and vileness. That’s a shade better than a lot of other movements can claim. I have a hard time imagining Nancy Pelosi publicly rethinking anything.
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Amen, that’s a really good point. I belong to the free thinking, free speaking side of things. I bumped into a woman today who mentioned how sad and repressed everything felt. Welp, we’re all wearing a very symbolic muzzle right now. Freedom and tyranny cant coexist, sorry.
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Yep.
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“encouraged rudeness and vileness”
What goes around comes around. Society is like the electorate: It deserves to get what it “voted” for, in spades, good and hard, until it either learns its lesson or disintegrates.
The “manosphere” didn’t start anything, but, don’t be surprised if they contribute to the cause of finishing it.
The ancient Greeks called it “Nemesis.” This present aeon deserves more Nemesis than can as yet be supplied.
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That’s a very vague comment. I’m not sure what you’re trying to get at.
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I don’t see what’s so vague about it. Society is so sick and twisted and evil and wicked that young men hate its stinking rotten filthy fetid guts. Young men don’t want to support it and they want to keep their participation to a minimum. This inevitably affects their relationship with women. Women have for the most part chosen to submit to Society instead of their husbands. Well, I and many other men are inclined to let them go. Like when your keys fall in to hot molten lava: let ’em go, ‘cuz, man, they’re gone.
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I’ve always liked Vox. I’ve been reading his articles since he was at WND, so, like, for twenty years or longer now. The rest, apart from Milo, just didn’t write anything I found interesting. But I’m still thankful for Roosh’s conversion. And Milo’s, obviously. In their own ways, all these men had or still have a modicum of power and influence over their sphere. Praise be to God they can use it for him. Vox has always professed to be a Christian, of course. He’s just…who he is. An intelligent person who has interesting takes on the world.
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I don’t know the names of everyone you mentioned. Some I do but wow you have had spats with some people. Just prayed for the people you mentioned, may God continue to be on the move
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That is beautiful news. I pray that God continues to work in the lives of these people, and in your life as well. J.
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So good!!!!
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