So, Pastor Wilson is sort of addressing Marxism, classism, racism, in a post called, “And So Children Let’s Review”
First let me say, I believe Kyle Howard already implied I was a misogynist and white supremist of some sort months ago before promptly blocking me, so as a claim to fame that really doesn’t mean much. It’s kind of like Oprah passing out free bath salts, and you get a free gift, and you get a free gift, and you get a free gift…
Meh. Wutevers.
However, I also have the fine distinction of having been blocked by Pastor Wilson, too! So you see, the critical theory intersectional Christians are just as terrified of what I might say as the misogynistic, white supremists are. Which brings me to my primary point, what’s with all the fear?? Fear is a liar, always, and has no place in a Christian’s life. We all experience it but I mean, we shouldn’t let it rule over us. When you are afraid to engage in a civil and truthful conversation with a Christian mom and grandma, while far away and tucked safely behind your keyboard, well, I can think of several uncharitable words that apply and they all rhyme with arrogance and pride.
So here’s my deal, I am infinitely frustrated by the gap between the rich and the poor, by the fact that the system is so infinitely corrupt and broken that the old ways don’t work anymore. Like, work hard, save your money, and we’ll reward you with the….. right to enter a higher tax bracket and live in your car. I can’t tell you how many times I’ve washed dishes with people who have college degrees. I can’t tell you how many families of five I’ve known packed into a camper and the highlight of their week is getting to go take showers. A huge problem with Republicans and conservatives is that they are so old, and by “old” I don’t mean disrespect, I mean born post war during a time when you actually could work hard, save your money, and buy a house for about 20 grand.
It’s not their fault, they simply can’t say anything but, “get a job,” because in their world, that’s how you fix things. Actually, that’s how you fix everything.
I talked to a millennial the other day and confessed, I really have no idea how to do life anymore. Like, you are absolutely right, the system is all broken. The problem being, a guaranteed minimum income and more socialism, more government meeting our basic needs will lead us farther into breadlines, starvation, extreme poverty, and a keen awareness that Soylent Green is people. Why? Because government is always impersonal, and run by flawed people who Do. Not. Care. About. You. That is a one bad boyfriend and we have centuries worth of documentation and mass graves to prove it. It is not as if I have just pulled this truth out of my hat, it is a well documented truth, science even.
Even in America today the poorest people are the ones under the care of our government. Go visit a Native American reservation or an inner city housing project. Very few ever escape those plantations. They have a guaranteed minimum wage and it’s guaranteed to stay minimum and guaranteed to stay barely liveable.
My point being, we need to throw out our talking points, let go of our fun labels like “commie” and “racist,” and get about the business of actually talking to one another, solving problems, caring for people. Especially in a Christian context. We are like, commanded to love our neighbor, and when we can’t even chat calmly about the issues that affect us, we have just descended into foolishness, and failed at our calling.
I rather like to watch these various Christian men lament the vast ignorance of the other side having absolutely no self awareness or recognition of how unkind, dismissive and hostile, they’ve actually been towards me.
So, on this cheery winter day, I’ve put my feet up by the fire and kicked back, keenly aware that all refusals to address and deal with classism, eventually just result in the peasants revolting. And in case anyone doesn’t know, the peasants are revolting, indeed. It turns out that packing your family into a camper and living without electricity while one side just screams at you to “get a job” and the other side just scream “unity” is so not a winning strategy.
If anyone ever wants to chat or dream about solving the world’s problems, let me know. It’s mostly futile, but sometimes you do grow and learn, and strengthen your relationship with the Lord, and as far as I’m concerned that pretty much what it’s all about.
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Wow, what an amazing writer you are! You weave us in and out of the problems we really do face, and like a finely woven fabric, you bring warmth to our souls. We are reminded once again that what comes out of our mouths can literally destroy any hope of finding a good and profitable, to our spiritual journey, solution. They say that the year 2021 is the year of the mouth and so we treasure your wisdom!
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Thank you for your kind words, much appreciated.😊
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Hard work is a necessary but not sufficient pre-condition to earning an honest living. And don’t make the egregious error of discounting the damage that “communism” has done to the world in general and to the USA in particular. First thing about communism is, it is NOT NOT NOT what most people think it is. It’s not even what most people who think they are “communists” think it is. “Communism” is a system designed to make Communists all powerful and filthy rich. All the malarkey about class struggle and racism and economic justice and social justice is all bullshit. The purist bullshit ever refined for human consumption. “Communists” are phony baloney plastic bananas full of good time rock & roll bullshit.
TANSTAAFL. There ain’t no such thing as a free lunch. “Communists” offer what amounts to a free lunch, and that’s where people do their part to destroy themselves, because they believe something they have no business believing. I don’t feel that sorry for them. I think instead that everyone should get everything they vote for, in spades, good and hard, until it grinds them to powder, and only when they wake up and vote differently should they get something different.
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Ha! I honestly appreciate the way you speak your mind. That is how we learn from one another. Also, I totally agree that most people have no idea what communism even is. It is absolutely all about, “a system designed to make Communists all powerful and filthy rich.”
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Soylent Green, now you’re dating yourself 🙂 My dad was a camera operator in Hollywood and he worked on that film. But I digress.
I start with the premise that most people who disagree with me wants the world to be a better place for everyone. We just don’t agree on how to get there.
If we start from that point, we can actually have thoughtful discussions. But that’s a lot harder than calling you names and taking my ball to go home.
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“I start with the premise that most people who disagree with me wants the world to be a better place for everyone. We just don’t agree on how to get there. If we start from that point, we can actually have thoughtful discussions. But that’s a lot harder than calling you names and taking my ball to go home.”
That may have been true in the distant past but it is not true anymore. Have you tried talking to a transexual with purple and green hair and a giant nose ring about anything? Much less anything important and/or of a sensitive nature?
Perhaps you live in a land of chocolate unicorns and rainbow lollipops. I happen to live in California, and civil conversation about anything serious is pretty much impossible with the vast majority of the denizens extant here.
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“Have you tried talking to a transsexual with purple and green hair and a giant nose ring about anything? Much less anything important and/or of a sensitive nature?”
I’ve had great conversations with lots of people who completely and passionately disagree with me on a whole host of issues. Online and in person. It’s easy to do IF you have a thick skin and aren’t trying to win an argument. You have to ignore the initial insults and stereotypes thrown at you, find common ground and ask good questions. Seriously, it’s not that hard are.
And I’m in Colorado. We’re getting pretty nutty over here.
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Disagreeing is one thing. I disagree with lots of people whom I like, some very much. I disagree with Teddy Spaghetti, for example, about a lot of things but I still like him and read his blog. Being a psychotic wacko who hates everything that is remotely good and/or true and/or right is something else again. Nice try, though, do spin again.
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It sounds like you’re implying that because you find it impossible to do, it can’t be done by others. Is that what you’re saying?
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It’s not impossible to talk to people who are insane and wicked, it’s just stupid. You’ve never heard of the “reprobate mind?”
It’s right there in Romans 1, if you’d like to take a look:
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Adokimos (ad-ok’-ee-mos);
Word Origin: Greek, Adjective, Strong #: 96
not standing the test, not approved
properly used of metals and coins
that which does not prove itself such as it ought
unfit for, unproved, spurious, reprobate
KJV Word Usage and Count
reprobate 6
castaway 1
rejected 1
Even Joe Walsh knew that you can’t argue with a sick mind. There’s a limit to communication, some people are just plain beyond communication, and you know it. You are just being a troll. You’re not saying anything intelligent, you’re just talking out your backside.
Nice try though, troll, do spin again.
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I can see why you have problems holding conversations with people you disagree with. You’ve insulted me three times in this conversation because we disagree on a very minor thing. We likely agree with each other on a host of other issues.
Why do you think other people can have great conversations about tough topics and you can’t?
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I called you a troll because you display troll behavior and you make trollish comments.
Woe to those who call good evil and evil good.
Isaiah 5 puts it this way for you:
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Really? Perhaps you can define how your understanding of the word “Troll.”?
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You are not having a conversation, you are attempting to waste the time and energy of those who want an intelligent conversation.
I came to this blog about a year ago to express disagreement with our host about another blogger named Dalrock. I’ve stayed because even though we still disagree this is a great blog with intelligent conversation, for the most part, with the exception of weaselly trolls such as you.
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You chose to interact with my comment to correct my misunderstanding.
Look, you and I aren’t talking about serious issues. Yet, you’ve been insulting me, almost from the outset, over a very tiny disagreement. If you have a hard time having a civil discourse with somebody on the same team, maybe the issue is your approach?
All I know is that I can have in person and online discussions with people who hold an opposing view. If I can do it, anybody can.
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You don’t have an opposing view, you’re talking nonsense that makes you sound like a poseur. It’s not serious to say that arguing with wicked and insane people is a good idea. Only a troll would suggest such a thing. You think people should have no standards regarding their interactions with people?
Calling you out for your willful disruption of this otherwise important conversation is perfectly reasonable.
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I agree about not arguing with insane people. 100% a waste of time.
But everybody is or was wicked at one point, even you. And somebody talked to you, just like they talked to me. I don’t know about you, but I ‘d bet you’re grateful for that. I know I am.
The difference between you and I, is that you think we’re arguing. I think we’re having a discussion.
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Arguing doesn’t mean yelling and screaming at each other. That’s quarreling and fighting, not arguing. Arguing means a discussion that involves a serious disagreement where the 2 or more parties are trying to use facts and logic to persuade each other to change their opinions.
I’m always arguing with church people who tell me I shouldn’t argue when I say I was arguing with so and so about such and such. Something is wrong with this present pathetic generation of melted snow flakes that they don’t know what an argument is, much less have the capacity to engage in one, or even tolerate hearing about one.
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I equate arguments with insults. If you’re insulting somebody, that’s fighting. Agreeably disagreeing on the substance is a conversation. When you use insults, you’ve crossed over into quarreling or fighting.
What is our disagreement on this topic?
Can people who hold polar opposite views have meaningful discussions about those views? I believe it happens all the time. You don’t think it’s possible. At least that sounds like what you’re saying. Is that where our disagreement lies or is it elsewhere?
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You’re not the first troll to infest IB’s blog, and you probably won’t be the last.
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Can you please explain what you mean by Troll?
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“Can you please explain what you mean by Troll?”
Fair enough. A troll is someone who comments in bad faith, not wanting to add to the conversation but instead rather hoping to detract from it, to disrupt and derail and sidetrack away from the light and in to the Heart of Darkness as if life was a Joseph Conrad novel.
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And you think that’s what I’m doing?
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Absolutely. Teddy Spaghetti would no doubt call you a “Gamma.”
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On that point I’m going to agree to disagree with you. 🙂
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I grant you this point, that perhaps we’re not talking about the same things. I believe very strongly that talking to people who are evil and crazy is worse than a waste of time, it is a sin if we do it because our pride and arrogance and stubbornness and full-of-our-self-edness tells us we can reach people who are total reprobates. If you care about such a person, don’t talk to them, talk to God about them and beseech the Lord who is rich in mercy to grant them grace and save them from their condition so that you can talk to them.
I will talk to an unintelligent person, if in fact the person is honestly and sincerely unintelligent. I can deal with unintelligent. God can and will save the unintelligent. God will not save the willfully evil and willfully crazy, though, because they are willful about it and have made their choice to reject God and His Truth and refuse to walk in the Light, as He is in the Light.
I John 1:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
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Isaiah 5:
20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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I had no idea your dad was a camerman and worked on that movie. Very cool! I saw “Soylent Green” and “Westworld” together at a drive in, long ago.
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Ok, an advice you didn’t ask for: on occasion try writing a bible study of your favorite chapter or verse instead of b*tching about what apostate wolves in sheep’s clothing Tweet about.
Not saying don’t expose the crazies, but if that’s all you do, it can just wear you out spiritually.
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Lol! There’s actually several Bible verses in this post and an entire Bible study. We can add, among other things like “commie” and “racist,” calling all your brothers and sisters “apostate wolves.” Also really popular among the religious crowd, “jezebel, heretic, and woke.”😊
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Apostate wolves is a good biblical description.
🙂🙏
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Also, try the spirits. If these people who’s tweets you hate are apostate wolves in sheep’s clothing, you don’t share a Father.
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I was reminded of this Bible verse the other day when that lady got so mad about one of those Trump lovers (her words, or close) clearing the snow out of her driveway. She had moved from her home to a country place to be safe from COVID. She knew she was supposed to thank him, but she was so eaten up with hatred she couldn’t lower herself to actually do it.
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LOLl! Arrrggg, we’re a miserable lot, Sam. That snow shoveler is just storing up double treasures in heaven.😁
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Doug Wilson is a midwit who believes himself to be edgy and intelligent. I have almost zero respect for him. And that’s about all I can say. Re the rest: we have a corporatocracy. You can’t just “work hard” under a system where a handful of corporate CEOs control everything, including what we are allowed to think. At their whims, they can destroy all the hard work we’ve done. That’s what needs to change in this country, but it’s not going to happen under Biden. As the “fortify the vote” article stated, the corporate bosses pulled together to ensure he was elected. Now he’s their pet. And at best, we’ll get a starvation $15/hr minimum wage out of it. Otoh, there are places in this country where two incomes at $15/hr is quite liveable, and you can probably even afford to buy a house. Just to give a little perspective.
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My sister calls him Jao Bai Din.
饒白丁
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I just want to go into the woods and pitch a tent. No TV, no internet, no newspapers – just peace, quiet and the beauty of God’s creation. Oh wait a minute. I don’t even like camping.
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Ha! Me too. I could totally go live in a cave somewhere, just so long as we have hot water for coffee and to take a bath. I’m kind of into glamp-ing, having a bit of glamour in my campout. 🙂
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I like the ideal of taking responsibility and working hard from the right side of the aisle, and the ideal of communities taking care of their people and cooperating from the left side of the aisle. Pulling oneself up by one’s bootstraps is physically impossible, and being entirely dependent on other people is disempowering. My question is: does everything have to be strictly left or right? Can we move towards taking the best from both? Oh wait, that would require people actually talking and listening to each other and realizing that not everybody who disagrees with us is the literal spawn of satan – even if they disagree on a lot!
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Good points! I agree, somewhere in the middle of all this stuff is common sense, or at least that’s my hope. 😊
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Please, let’s continue to ”chat or dream about solving the world’s problems”. Indeed, “It’s mostly futile, but sometimes you do grow and learn, and strengthen your relationship with the Lord, and as far as I’m concerned that pretty much what it’s all about”.
A once popular song reminded us, “I never promised you a rose garden”. I always refer to it as a paraphrase of Christ’s admonition, “In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world.” – Jn. 16:33.
We’re momentarily ‘IN’ the world, but NOT ‘OF’ the world. (1Jn. 2:16). As Christ has truly OVERCOME, we’ve NOTHING to fear – NOT even FEAR itself, deliberate liar that it is.
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Amen, MJ! Jesus really is the answer for all the world’s problems. Nobody ever wants to hear the next part, but if more CHRISTIANS acted like Christians, we wouldn’t have half the social problems we do.
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I’ve never made a ton of money. I’m not wealthy, but I do alright. From what I’ve seen, the biggest thing that holds people in poverty isn’t minimum wage laws, but alcohol and drug abuse.
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Amen, there’s a lot of truth in that. Addiction is a poverty of spirit that just impoverishes every area of your life. But then we also have politicians, big pharma, and organized crime preying on people and profiting off their misery. So while addicts are responsible for addressing their own addiction, drugs never enter a community without a ripe environment, tilled soil, and a bunch of people eager to profit off it.
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You’re not wrong.
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Here’s my take at this moment. “They don’t want conversation, that would lead to compromise and maybe solutions. They want compliance and a permanent dependent populous, with themselves and their cronies dolling out crumbs. We’re the only thing in their way as we’re free in His grace, willing to abide there and speak the Truth.
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“Here’s my take at this moment. “They don’t want conversation, that would lead to compromise and maybe solutions. They want compliance and a permanent dependent populous, with themselves and their cronies dolling out crumbs. We’re the only thing in their way as we’re free in His grace, willing to abide there and speak the Truth.”
If that’s the case then why does our friend Jim tell us we can have an intelligent conversation with anyone?
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The ability to, doesn’t necessarily mean the desire to have an honest discussion, when the mere fact that when there is disagreement on certain points, one is castigated as … insert any label here… canceled
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There are lots of people I go out of my way to avoid because I consider a relationship with them to be fruitless, and all that which does not bear fruit is reasonably pruned. But I do not chase them down and try to get them fired from their job, for example.
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But that is precisely what is happening to people with influential platforms
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Exactly. That’s what makes communist cancel culture or as I call it Kansel Kultur different from what normal Christians do.
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If only “ normal Christians had a seat at the table to discuss honesty- “they” prefer that we’re silenced
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JEFF6482 – “They don’t want conversation, that would lead to compromise and maybe solutions.”
So true – about anyone (right or left) whose mind is already absolutely convinced that only THEIR point is legit. What is telling, is the blatant refusal to enter into any dialogue that would ultimately result in a prudent exchange of factual information challenging a particular ideology. Those with established first-hand experience are never at the mercy of those with mere unsubstantiated theories.
Walk a mile in my ‘moccasins’. As a believer in Christ, I have engaged in numerous debates over the reality of my sincere convictions. I have been since my initial encounter with Christ absolutely convinced that my faith is THE TRUE FAITH. Never-the-less, I am forever ready to engage in conversation with those who require of me a reasonable explanation of my faith. I do NOT claim to have perfect faith, only that I am perpetually being perfected. I do Not pretend to know it all, only that I know the ONE who does. Debate about THAT remains contentious unless total conformity to HIM ensues.
“… ready always to give a defense to all who ask you a reason for the hope within you, in meekness and fear” – 1pt. 3:15.
But I do NOT solicit such debate from unsuspecting individuals. I do NOT initiate such ‘defenses’. I stand ready to respond to inquiries, but I never engage opposition with any intent to ‘compromise’. When the opposition is as set in their ways as I am in mine, NO conversation is warranted or fruitful. Such engagements are mere arguments, NEVER to be resolved. Legitimate conversation understands LISTENING is more important than speaking. We must want to HEAR.
“…faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God” – Ro. 10:17.
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Absolutely. Government is run by flawed people because we are all flawed in some way and…They. Don’t. Care. About. Anyone.
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Real conversations are needed today
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