Right?? Give me a little common sense and even a smidgeon of “genuine science,” and I’m ready to listen and comply.I’m telling you, if “science” were an actual entity, it would have fainted at all the abuse and misuse it’s recently been subjected to. 🙂
So, Denver Post is considered left of center, by Media Bias Fact Check. Can you define a conspiracy theorist to me? Seems like that’s another new buzz word that folks use these days.
YES IT IS, FOR PEOPLE THAT QUESTION THE LEFTIST MEDIA’S KOOL-AID NARRATIVE WITH OTHER SOURCES OF INFORMATION, EVEN FROM DOCTORS. NO ONE GETS EVEN A MINOR SURGERY WITHOUT A ECOND OPINION, BUT NOW NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A SECOND OPINION, OR ELSE THEY ARE CONSPRIACY THEORISTS. THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE STUNT THEY USED WHEN OBAM WAS PRESIDENT, BECAUSE HE WAS HALF BLACK, IF OU DIDNT LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT HIM, IF YOU HAD AN ISSUE WITH HIM AT ALL, THEN YOU WERE A RACIST. NOW YOU ARE A CONSPIRACY THEORIST. ITS SO CONVENIENT WHEN YOU DONT HAVE A BETTER RESPONSE.
I have real trouble with these kinds of “fringe” medical doctors. I especially found her comments regarding social distancing to be very objectionable! Inferring it came from a science project and felt she even took unfair comments about the student. For this doctor’s information social distancing goes back two oo centuries more. In fact, the judicious use of social distancing helped limit the ravages of the 1918 Spanish Flu! Sorry I will listen to Dr. Fauci anytime compared to this Dr. Kelly !!!!!
Paula Slater is one of those disinfo bots that goes around leaving her “fear” message anywhere the MSM message is questioned. Hey Paula bot, I AGREE WITH DR KELLY VICTORY… COVID IS A CONSPIRACY TO KILL AMERICA.
THAT ARTICLE JUST SHOWS THAT THERE ARE DISSENTING OPTIONS TO THE MEDIA NARRATIVE. THE MEDIA HO NOW R UN MEDICAL REPORTING AND CENSOR IT. AND WE ALL KNOW DR FAUCI HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE MAP WITH MASKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. FIRST HES WEARING IT AND THEN HES NOT. AND HISTORICALLY YES WE QUARANTINE THE SICK ONLY AND THOSE WE KNOW TO BE AT THE HIGHEST RISK, SO THIS HAS BEEN STANDARD PRACTICE FOR CENTURIES IN ALL HUMAN WRITINGS THAT DISCUSS IT INCLUDING BACK TO THE HEBREWS 400 B.C. QUARATINE FOR ASYMPTOMATICS MAKES NO SENSE. IF WE CANT USE BEING SICK OR HEALTHY WITHOUT SYMPTOMS AS OUR COMMON SENSE GUIDE, THEN WE COULD ALL ALWAYS HAVE IT OR BE ABLE TO TRANSMIT IT FOREVER AND WE COULD NOT FUNCTION AT ALL. AND OBVIOUSLY THE HUMAN RACE IS STILL HERE AND IN ITS GREATEST NUMBER S EVER. ALL HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS KNOW THIS BUT THEY ALL HAVE FINANCIAL AND POLITICAL AGENDAS THAT THEY ARE BEHOLDEN TO.
SPANISH FLU KILLED ALL PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, NOT OLDER HEALTH COMPROMISED PEOPLE LIKE 90% OF THE CORONA VIRUS DEATHS. IT IS OPPORTUNISTIC AND NOT REMOTELY A STRONG AS THE SPANISH FLU WAS. YOU ARE COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES THERE. AND DR FAUCI IS GREAT ENTERTAINMENT BECAUSE YOU WONDER IF HE CAN SAY THE SAME THING TWICE IN A ROW.
Today, July 6, five hospitals in Pinellas county, FL, where St Pete and Clearwater are located, ran out of ICU beds.
The rosy picture this woman paints sounds like it was paid for by the RNC.
To get accurate info, you really have to dig through those numbers. A couple of good questions to ask, “how many of those icu beds are covid-19 patients” and “how many beds did they have available two weeks ago?” Here where I live we went through the same kind of reporting and two days later the hospital released a statement saying the information had been exaggerated and that they had plenty of beds.
Here is what the Florida health care people are saying, “The Agency is in frequent communication with hospital leadership, and there is no concern with regard to the amount of beds that can be converted to allow additional bed availability. Bed availability percentages may change due to facilities taking beds offline as facilities adjust to more normal operations. Taking beds offline will create lower availability. Additionally, facilities maintaining lower bed counts in general will see greater fluctuations.”
Again, I have no idea what’s going on in Florida. Maybe they are overwhelmed with patients? I’m just saying the media is in the business of selling drama and fear, and usually don’t tell you the whole story.
“A spokesperson with AdventHealth told 10 Tampa Bay, “The information that we do not have ICU beds at AdventHealth North Pinellas is not accurate. Below you will find our statement on capacity and would encourage you to reach out to AHCA to provide additional context to their count.”
Several others from Pinellas county have now released similar statements.
RNC and Conservatives seem to be the only voices of reason in this mess. Every DEM control state should take even a measure of common sense represented here. Instead DEM’s/Progressives leadership follow bad advice and have politically weaponized this virus just to derail a sitting presidents re-election bid at the cost of countless lives and wrecked economies.
I disagree you are being brainwashed by the media. Think about it the people who make up the CDC are getting paid and the longer they keep up the charade the more they make. Trump isnt stupid he knows their game why do you think he isnt masking up? let me answer that for you, its because the masks do more harm than good. we are breaking down our immunity by masking. its not protecting us because our bodies are made with their own ability to fight germs. By covering up we arent being exposed to the daily pathenagens we need to build a healthy immunity.
On July 5th, a spokesperson with AdventHealth told 10 Tampa Bay, “The information that we do not have ICU beds at AdventHealth North Pinellas is not accurate. Below you will find our statement on capacity and would encourage you to reach out to AHCA to provide additional context to their count.”
All hospitals in the AdventHealth West Florida Division are closely and continuously monitoring positive COVID-19 cases in their facility. We currently have sufficient personal protective equipment (PPE) for our team members, patients and guests, as well as available med-surg beds, ICU beds and ventilators, should they be needed. The planning and protocols we put in place earlier this year, including strict safety guidelines, quarantining of COVID-19 patients in designated units and care areas, and enhanced cleaning measures, has well-positioned us to respond and ensure the continued high quality care for our community. It is important to note, that while cases are increasing, we are not experiencing a surge in patients who require hospitalization due to COVID-19 but we remain prepared to take care of any patient in need of our services.
10 Tampa Bay contacted AHCA to clarify the accuracy of the dashboard.
Patrick Manderfield, the Deputy Communications Director with the Agency For Health Care Administration sent the following details:
The data is self-reported daily into the Agency’s Emergency Status System by facilities, and the information is dynamic and changes throughout the day as it’s reported into our system.
As of 8:45 a.m. today, Pinellas County has 15 percent of ICU beds available and Hillsborough County has more than 16 percent of ICU beds available. If necessary, any person who needs an ICU bed would be transferred to an area hospital with availability, and right now, we have no reason to believe individuals who need ICU beds are not being given that level of care.
AND TRY TO REMEMBER THESE HOSPITALS WORK NEAR CAPACITY ON A REGUALR BASIS WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY OLDER IN GENERAL WITH CO MORBIDITIES THAT RENDER THEM ACTUALLY ADMITTED FOR PERIOD OF TIME ,SOME ALREADY TERMINAL, AND MORE NOW UNDERGOING POST-OP REHAB FOR NON-RGENT SURGERIES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PTU ON HOLD.
Since Hat hasn’t answered, I’ll offer some context. The Taino inhabited the Caribbean islands that were visited by Christopher Columbus more than five hundred years ago. Like many other western hemisphere populations, they were devastated by European diseases for which they had no immunity–smallpox, measles, and others. Like the bubonic plague and the Spanish flu, the destructive European diseases in the western hemisphere are frequently used to illustrate the worst-case scenario of a pandemic–a regional or world population struck by illnesses to which we have no immunity. I’m sure Dr. Victory would find the comparison dubious at best. J.
Oh, is that what he is referring to? Thanks Salvageable. One of the benefits of globalism or multi-culturalism is that we’ve diversified the gene pool which makes us stronger, and we’ve strengthened our herd immunity. There are still some isolated and vulnerable groups out there and something like the Measles can do a lot more damage to them. We have a vaccine for Measles now which helps, too. Our Indian reservations in my neck of the woods know that history well and have chosen to completely seal themselves off right now. That’s fine short term, but eventually you will actually weaken your immune system, make your whole group more vulnerable to disease.
Something that a lot of people don’t realize, in biology “novel” doesn’t really mean “new,” it means “known.” It means “known and identified.” The WHO and the CDC actually had a discussion about this a few years back. We should always name bugs after their geography and avoid the use of terms like “novel” because it tends to create misunderstandings and spread fear. I guess they scratched all that wisdom? The “Chinese flu,” does not engender the kind of fear that a “novel coronavirus” and “covid 19” does. The Chinese flu is something a laymen would understand, but a “novel coronavirus” with a spiky, angry, little cartoon character to go along with it, helps to make us feel uncertain and concerned.
well … I’d go along with that, if what you mean by “known and identified” is “[not previously] known and identified,” which might possibly mean “… but it has been around for a long time and so is familiar to our immune systems, we just never noticed it before,” or could mean something different from that. So idk how much misunderstanding calling it “novel” really generates. As for fear, I find it helps not to read too much news.
IM SORRY, BUT AS A HEALTH ARE PROFESSIONAL I MUST CORRECT: The word “novel” originated from the Latin word “novus,” which means “new.” IT ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MEAN “KNOWN” BY ANY USE OF THE WORD FOR ANY REASON, AND NEVER HAS. In medicine, “novel” usually refers to a virus or bacterial strain that was not previously identified. WHILE COVID-19 is a new “disease”, caused by the novel, or new, coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, IT WAS SO NAMED BECAUSE IT was not previously seen in humans, NOT BECAUSE IT IS ACTUALLY NEW OR PREVIOUSLY UNIDENTIFIED. SO YES IT WAS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AND IDENTIFIED, BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE “KNOWN AND IDENTIFIED” THE MEANING OF NOVEL. I HOPE THAT MAKES IT MORE CLEAR INSTEAD OF MORE CONFUSING.
Coronaviruses are a family of viruses named for the crown-like spikes on their surface. The word “corona” itself means “crown.” Although most coronaviruses are found in animals, the first human coronaviruses were identified in the mid-1960s, and seven, including SARS-CoV-2, AS IT SAID , (ALREADY KNOWN AND IDENTIFIED IN THE 60S), are known to affect humans today. When animal coronaviruses evolve OR NOT and JUMP FROM RESERVIOR TO ANOTHER and are FOUND TO BE able to infect humans, these viruses are considered to be “novel”, even though they were previously known and identified.
COVID-19 is caused by a different coronavirus than those that cause the common cold. Four of the seven human coronaviruses typically cause mild to moderate illness(THE COMMON COLD) and account for 10% to 30% of upper respiratory tract infections in adults. The other three, including SARS-CoV-2, can cause more serious respiratory illness(COVID-19). More on this below.
SO TO CLARIFY, THE VIRUS WAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF 7 IN A FAMILY DECADES AGO, 4 OF WHICH ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR COMMON COLD . IT IS NOW CALLED “NOVEL” BECAUSE IT 1. APPARENTLY JUMPED FROM AN ANIMAL RESERVIOR TO HUMANS, AND, 2. IS CAUSING ILLNESS IN HUMANS, WHEREAS MOST VIRUSES ARE SPECIES SPECIFIC.
SO WE ARE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH HERE. THEY COULD EXPLAIN THIS BETTER IF THEY WANTED TO.
ALSO, BECAUSE OUR BODIES MAKE THE SAME INNATE IMMUNITY ANTIBODIES FOR COVID-19 AS THEY DO FOR THE OTHER ONES THAT CASE THE COMMON COLD, THERE ARE AND WILL BE A HIGH DEGREE OF FALSE POSITIVE TESTS, SOMETHING ELSE THEY COULD EXPLAIN BETTER.
SO, if you test positive, IT DOESNT EVEN MEAN YOU HAD THE NEW VIRUS. IT COULD JUST MEAN, LIKE MOST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD POPULATION, THAT YOU ARE CARRYING COMMON COLD VIRUSES, WHICH WE ALL WILL OUR ENTIRE LIVES.
SO IF WE CANNOT USE BEING ASYMPTOMATIC AS A MEDICALLY SAFE AND SOCIALLY CONSIDERATE WAY TO FUNCTION IN SOCIETY AS NORMAL, THEN WE WOULD ALL NEED TO WEAR MASKS OUR WHOLE LIVES FROM NOW ON, USING THE NEW GUIDELINES. THE MORE THEY KEEP TESTING, THE MORE THEY WILL FIND OUT JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE COMMON COLD VIRUS, WHICH WILL BE MOST OF US, AND SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT YET SHED “THE” VIRUS. AND THEY KNOW THIS. BUT LOTS OF MONEY TO BE MADE WITH HOSPITALIZATIONS, TESTS, THERAPEUTICS, VACCINE RESEARCH, AND OF COURSE THE POLITICAL AGENDA.
It is entirely possible that we might get clobbered by a virus that has a high lethality rate. The Coronavirus (COVID-19), however, is not such a virus.
When COVID-19 first lit up our radar, the Chinese were hiding what they knew about the virus. Nevertheless, we soon saw that they were going to great lengths to prevent its spread, and they were having trouble doing that. So, our heath authorities, once they stopped trusting the Chinese, started assuming the worst.
To some extent Dr. Victory is, I think, correct to criticize our public health authorities. Our public health authorities have not made much effort to moderate the panic they started over the virus. They have not explained their overreaction or pointed to possible milder mutations as an explanation for the virus’ lower than anticipated lethality rate. Yet, they could easily justify adopting a revised strategy for dealing with the virus, a strategy that is less costly but still protects those at risk.
Anyway, since I don’t want to give the damn thing to my lady, I will continue to wear a mask when interacting with the public, but I do wish my countrymen and children would calm down. At this point, it is largely safe to go back to old normal. We just need to protect places like nursing homes.
I don’t usually click on links like this one, and don’t generally give them 17 minutes of my time. This was worth it. Any idea when it was recorded? Do the current increasing numbers of infection invalidate any of her points? J.
Keeping the virus from some people by isolating the healthy only delays the inevitable. Unless you are prepared to live under a rock for the rest of your life, you will come in contact with it, just like the flu. The question is will the death rate rise with the increased infection rate. My bet is that it will not rise significantly. Simply because those who have kept themselves from being exposed to it, and are now out and about, are generally healthy.
We will look back on the world’s reaction to this whole thing the way we now view the Salem witch hunts.
There’s some good science behind the idea of protecting our elders and immo compromised people, while letting the virus move out among the young and healthy. Often that will cause it to mutate and weaken.
YES, VIRUSES ATTENUATE(WEAKEN) WITH TIME, LIKE YOUR CELLS CAN ONLY REPRODUCE SUCCESSFULLY SO MANY TIMES UNTIL THEY NO LONGER CAN, AND MOST MUTATIONS IN ALL LIVING OR BIOLOCIALLY ACTIVE ENTITIES ARE BAD NOT GOOD. IT MEANS TO MUTE OR SILENCE SOME OTHERWISE VITAL GENETIC INFORMATION, WHICH IS GENERALLY NOT GOOD. NOW ADAPTATION MEANS TO INTELLIGENTLY SELECT FROM WITHIN AN ALREADY AVAILABLE GENE POOL TO BEST FUNCTION AND SURVIVE UNDER CHANGING CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS IS NOT EVOLVING,(ONE SPECIES TO ANOTHER ) THIS IS ADAPTING WITHIN A SPECIES.
Dr.Stephano,,.Is there a possibility they could find a test more reliable than this one that cause a lot of false positive? A blood test could not be more trusty? What do you think? Thank you!
Every time I hear this kind of common sense scientific treatise on the understanding of our amazing abilities to fight the bodily invaders, and share it, so many call it wrong, anti-science, racist or hateful.
I still believe it.
I am not a scientist.
But I believe in the ultimate intelligent design, even with man’s many sinful attempts to prove God wrong.
Thanks for sharing this IB.
Yes! One of the reasons why I started this blog was because I was so blown away by human biology, including our ability to heal and our immune systems. It’s an amazing and incredible design and speaks to the fact that we have an amazing and incredible Designer! 🙂
Excellent video IB. I plan o sharing it, but unfortunately those that need to see and hear the good doctor’s words have no interest in learning anything because you see, they already know all there is to know and are happy to live in fear and waiting for the government to tell them when its safe to come out.
Very scary times really on how easily people are being manipulated by this.
These really are scary times, Tricia. Most people have no idea what’s going on because they’re being kept busy freaking out about a virus with a 99.95 survival rate.
It’s just infuriating. The real scandal is the mass murders happening in nursing homes around the country where the bulk of Covid deaths have happened. Instead of properly devoting resources towards this and in shaming (and throwing in jail) governors who sent Covid positive patients to live in these homes, politicians and the news media obsess over upticks in cases of 30 year olds with no symptoms.
IT ONLY STRENGTHENS THE “CONSPIRACY THEORY” THAT THERE ARE CLEARLY OTHER AGENDAS. THE MEDIA AND THE DEM GOVS ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM, SO THATS HOW THEY GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE THE AVERAGE PERSON DOESNT KNOW THAT. THE GAME IS RIGGED.
I laugh because this is the EXACT SAME INFORMATION the ER doctor told my family back on March 9th, 2020 when my mom was in the hospital. He wasn’t worried about COVID-19 then…and isn’t worried about it now. He also mentioned that he didn’t trust the CDC, FDA, DHHS or the World Health Organization…and still doesn’t, because they operate from grant funding. If these organizations can raise major fears in society, they get more grant money without question. This was from an ER doctor that spent 30 years in his profession.
I should also mention that he said the “coronavirus” has been around since forever, but they have known about the basic form of coronavirus since about the 1950’s. He said there are NUMEROUS variations of the coronavirus and every single person has a type of coronavirus in their system due to the common cold and flu…COVID-19 was just another strain of coronavirus and could be more of a problem for people with lower immune systems, heart and lung issues or other health concerns, but the majority of people around the world, won’t see any symptoms because they have antibodies in their system that help fight off the virus.
He said that these antibodies come from fighting off various strains of the flu or common cold.
He left us with this advice…
Be smart and wise when you’re around others.
Always wash your hands.
Don’t take unnecessary risks if you don’t have to, but most of all…
If you feel sick.. stay home until you’re well again to be around others!
Oddly enough, seven different nurses that treated my mom shared the same assessment, so did the cardiologist, two respiratory specialists and a radiologist. 🙂
(fyi…for those wondering, my mom had a heart attack related to complications of MS… she did NOT have covid-19.)
I am pleased to hear that your mom had some good care and some sensible doctors and nurses. That is good news!
I bump into some people who have been really terrorized by the fear and hysteria, and I just think, this is so criminal, so wrong, so immoral. Also, really bad for their health. There’s a big difference between telling people the truth and hyping them up into hysteria.
She lost me at “a tiny fraction.” Ten percent is not “tiny.” Not to mention that her “cyclical,” “declining in the summer months” is inconsistent with what is happening RIGHT NOW. Plus, they have no idea what the virus is doing to the internal organs of people who recover. My neighbor’s father just died from covid19, and basically he succumbed because his kidneys started to shut down. Who knows if others who recover still haven’t had their kidneys weakened in some way our tests don’t yet show. Or their heart. Or lungs.
Let’s face it. This virus is like having roaches: if you have even one little female roach, you have roaches. We will never get rid of this virus by “going back to our lives.” People will continue to die and perhaps receive unknown long term affects if we do not isolate and quarantine. The alternative is for us all to get sick and may the fittest survive. I don’t see that as an approach consistent with the Bible.
The fear is part of the human condition, and in some ways is a good thing. If people suddenly, in the face of a disease they can’t control, might actually start thinking about their mortality and their need to do something about their eternal destiny. But no, we find ways to get around God’s warnings. We land on catch phrases like “we’re all in this together,” and “we’ll get through this,” or we simply discount this event as something that requires our attention.
It’s disappointing to me that we as believers are not taking advantage of the opportunity to proclaim the truth—that one day God will not give us a virus that will impact a few. The we actually now have a more serious “virus” that has infected us all, and we can’t just pull up our socks and keep going on.
I believe that more people are becoming infected with the virus due to stress from being on lock down, stress from riots, the big dust storms, loss of wages, and social distancing. I agree that it is time to take our lives back and to trust our bodies to do their jobs. Everyone wants to be on-line physicians…. people need to let the real physicians talk. Not the ones that work in an office.
She says – to prevent a second wave, we should let ourselves get exposed to initiate herd immunity. That’s like saying – we should all get it now so that we don’t all get it later. Does that really make sense?
Also, she focuses on “dangers” of wearing masks too much – yet emphasizes that the virus is not all that dangerous. I think the chances of becoming seriously ill from wearing a mask pale in comparison to the chances of becoming seriously ill from contracting COVID. Thousands of American workers have been wearing masks for years (nurses, doctors, etc.).
She downplays the effectiveness of masks at containing the virus – yet she emphasizes that masks will trap too much CO2 – a molecule that is 1000X smaller than a virus.
She emphasizes the risk of breathing in virus particles or bacteria or pollen that get caught in your mask – but later she says its a good thing for us to breathe in viruses and bacteria to keep our immune system fit. As a side note – if you are breathing out COVID particles, that means you are already infected – and breathing those back in won’t make you more infected.
“She says – to prevent a second wave, we should let ourselves get exposed to initiate herd immunity. That’s like saying – we should all get it now so that we don’t all get it later. Does that really make sense?”
Actually it does make sense, because as our bodies wrestle with viruses, the viruses themselves mutate and weaken and we also become immune to them. We want kids to have something like chicken pox for example, so they do not get it as adults. As children most bounce right through it and have lifetime immunity. We do not want them to get it later as adults when their immune system is not as strong and their bodies are weaker.
Children seem to have an immunity to covid9 that is not fully understood. So do all the people who have tested positive and never gotten sick. Also, this alleged incubation period of 14 days, suggests that there is already plenty of immunity going on. So our natural ability to cope with viruses and defend ourselves against them is really powerful and not being taken into account at all.
Herd immunity is already happening and progressing exactly the way we know it does. It is quite likely herd immunity will protect us and rid us of the virus long before scientists ever come up with any kind of vaccine.
As to co2 in masks, we’ve measured the levels in masks and it does become toxic. It’s just like putting your head under blankets or sitting in a stuffy car with a bunch of people. Sure you can do it for a while, but eventually you need more air, eventually you start getting dizzy, lightheaded, and headachy from the co2.
I understand the comparison to chicken pox – but it’s different on many levels. For one, the antibody response from getting chicken pox is sufficient to prevent you from getting it again. We don’t know if that’s the case with COVID. Antibody testing has shown that some people with minor cases of COVID have not retained antibodies. Viral mutations are not always a good thing. The reason we need a yearly flu vaccine is because the virus keeps mutating. If COVID keeps mutating, it could be that any antibodies you develop won’t be able to prevent a subsequent infection.
Yes, you wanted children to get chicken pox when young because it is harsher when they are older – but herd immunity for COVID would require the majority of people getting it – both young and old. While the death rate from chicken pox is extremely low – there is more of a risk to willingly subjecting yourself to COVID. The children might be fine – but the millions of people with diabetes and other conditions would be at risk.
Herd immunity might “protect us” in the long run – but it might cost many people their lives to get there. The more people that are exposed – the more deaths you will have, just by the numbers.
You can weigh the costs/benefits of masks. Do I risk the chance of getting a headache? Or do I unknowingly carry COVID and risk the chance of passing it on to someone at risk?
“You can weigh the costs/benefits of masks. Do I risk the chance of getting a headache?”
Well, first of all are we talking about spending 15 minutes shopping in a store or 8 hours going up and down a ladder? There have been several workplace accidents due to our unwillingness to examine the nuances here. Masks do impair your vision, decrease your oxygen, and increase co2. A couple of warehouses have suspended masks wearing on account of the fact that it is dangerous and dumb to make people more than six feet away from one another wear masks going up ladders while engaging in physical labor. That serves no good health purpose and is in fact harmful.
As to the rest of your comment, a lot of the premises being made are not possible, so the only thing I can conclude is that something is still flawed with our assorted forms of testing. Chicken pox for example does not just disappear from the body, it can give us Shingles later in life. To suggest that perhaps covid doesn’t leave any antibodies is kind of like magical thinking. To suggest we don’t build immunity and can just catch it over and over again is also extremely unlikely. To suggest that it might mutate and get stronger is also highly unlikely. If viruses became more powerful each time we encountered them, humankind would have died out long ago.
Regardless, we are going to find out the truth about herd immunity because the virus is already out there among the general population. Yes, people are going to get sick and die. We cannot just hide and try to live in small, isolated, sanitary world indefinitely. We cannot really control the spread. We can perhaps slow it down a wee bit, flatten the curve so our hospitals are not overwhelmed all at once, but like it or not, this bug is moving rapidly through the population. I think that is good news because that means herd immunity will build and it will weaken. As it weakens our elders and immo compromised are made safer.
Yes, you build antibodies if you get Covid. The question is how long does our body maintain these antibodies to prevent a further infection. Tests have shown that people who had a mild case of Covid did not maintain their antibodies indefinitely. My coworker got COVID and he continues to be checked for antibodies each month to see if he still has them in his system.
A mutating virus doesn’t mean a stronger virus – it just means it can more easily evade our immune system. Again, the comparison is the flu virus. If you get the flu, you develop antibodies against that particular strain. But, the flu virus mutates a lot – so the following year, your antibodies may not be effective against the newest strain. That’s why you can keep getting the flu again and again.
The point of masks is to flatten the curve. If herd immunity was the best solution – we should all go back to regular lives without masks and let everybody and anybody catch it that will catch it. As a result, you will have overwhelm the medical system.
Can you please post some studies or provide a link to studies regarding the wearing of paper and/or cloth masks and their relationship to increased CO2 levels in the blood? I would like studies from medical journals please-preferably peer reviewed. I ask because I keep hearing this claim about CO2 but no one has ever been able to point me in the direction of a medically peer reviewed article that substantiates this claim.
Thanks
You can actually do your own tests with a co2 tester and find out for yourself. A good rule of thumb is whether or not you can blow out a candle through your mask. If you can’t easily expel air out of your mask, then you’re not going to be easily expelling co2, either.
I have listened to your video and you say temperature has a lot to do with COVID-19. So way is there a out break in Arizona there temperature has been over 80 degrees and temperatures in the 100rds for months.. hope to here back thanks.Rick
Do you know what you call a doctor who graduates last in her class from medical school? One who barely made the grade, got by by the skin of her teeth? You call her Doctor. All do respect for her accomplishments, her cherry picking facts to make her argument does not make what she says is true. Right now Arizona kinda blows the hot environment limiting the virus thing out of the water. Also the CDC, WHO and pretty much every credible authority are pretty much in agreement that physical distancing and wearing a mask when with others outside your immediate family [those you live with], is a must to help slow down the spread of this virus. Her disregard for the 130k people here in the US or over a half million people in the world who have died from this virus is horrible. Now to be fair, I have no idea when this video was made, it could have been filmed back in March when folks were scrambling to fully understand this virus, but for her to be so irresponsible to make a video like this breaks the most important guide of her profession and that is the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm. Advice like this can be and has been deadly.
To all those here that seem to be calling this Dr. a “crackpot”, I have heard this same information from many other doctors, so are they all “crackpots”? Seems to me when you start hearing the same idea from numerous persons, it bears listening to. As to her credibility, I don’t think somebody who “graduated last in her class” would qualify for all the following:
Kelly Victory, MD, is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 15 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina.
Dr Victory is an expert in disaster preparedness and the medical management of mass casualties. She is a member of the National Preparedness Leadership Initiative, a combined effort of Harvard School of Public Health and the Kennedy School of Government to develop meta-leaders for national disaster preparedness and response. She has worked closely with officials from Homeland Security, the US Department of Health and Human Services, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and multiple branches of the military.
Dr Victory has been a guest lecturer at the Harvard Business School Healthcare Conference, and she is a member of the Leadership Council at Harvard School of Public Health. She is the former president of the Colorado chapter of Docs4PatientCare, a physician group dedicated to protecting the doctor-patient relationship and personal choice in healthcare. Dr Victory also served as an advisor to the Romney healthcare policy team and remains actively involved in the reform debate. Dr Victory currently teaches an “Active Shooter Rapid Response and Extraction” course and “Leadership in Times of Crisis” for first responders, community leaders, and organizations, aimed at limiting casualties, improving outcomes and enhancing resiliency. She makes frequent radio and television appearances to discuss issues related to healthcare policy, emergency and disaster, and public health.
I too have a degree in Public Health and Disaster management from Tulane’s School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine. I have been involved in public heath for over two decades in over a dozen countries. Dr. Victory’s video is full of holes, misstatements and false narratives. Her comments do not line up with reality and her history of “social distancing” is flat wrong. Although much of the verbiage is fairly recent, around the early 1960’s, the practices have been practiced with for decades before that. During the Spanish Flu, they implemented similar practices as well as isolation and quarantine measure. yes, they actually did all 3 during the 1918-1919 pandemic. The practice became tested more formally by the CDC in the early 2000’s. Public health practices evolve all the time as other areas of medicine evolve all the time. We all benefit from medicine’s ability to evolve and improve. Reading some of the responses here, with people talking about assumptions while making their own assumptions, shows why people still share videos like this. Dr. Victory is NOT being truthful and pushing an agenda.
This same video has been removed by You Tube for dissemination of false information. Dr. Victory is a known conspiracy theorist who has ran for office before on the Republican ticket. She, and/or her friends are probably losing a lot of money due to the pandemic so they are getting a little desperate. About 70% of what she says in the video is true, but several of her statements give percentages that have not been proven as true yet and/or are directly false. Because the video contains false statements, You Tube had to remove it.
You-tube did NOT have to remove it. “Dissemination of false information” is a new and scary form of censorship, far more dangerous than any virus, and Americans need to wake up and speak up while we still can.
Perhaps, by inviting government into so much of our lives, we have politicized everything, including medical science? If so, should we not expect our children’s lives to be run like the Postal Service?
ColorStorm said:
I suppose we can call that a Victory speech. Lol
But geez, a little common sense and medical understanding goes a long way.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Right?? Give me a little common sense and even a smidgeon of “genuine science,” and I’m ready to listen and comply.I’m telling you, if “science” were an actual entity, it would have fainted at all the abuse and misuse it’s recently been subjected to. 🙂
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Paula Slater said:
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/04/07/coronavirus-steve-house-congress-victory/ Dr. Kelly Victory is a conspiracy theorist and has trouble with the truth. This is a good factual article about her. Her views can be dangerous to your health.
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karen Marsdale said:
So, Denver Post is considered left of center, by Media Bias Fact Check. Can you define a conspiracy theorist to me? Seems like that’s another new buzz word that folks use these days.
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MICHAEL J STEFANO said:
YES IT IS, FOR PEOPLE THAT QUESTION THE LEFTIST MEDIA’S KOOL-AID NARRATIVE WITH OTHER SOURCES OF INFORMATION, EVEN FROM DOCTORS. NO ONE GETS EVEN A MINOR SURGERY WITHOUT A ECOND OPINION, BUT NOW NO ONE IS ALLOWED TO HAVE A SECOND OPINION, OR ELSE THEY ARE CONSPRIACY THEORISTS. THAT GOES ALONG WITH THE STUNT THEY USED WHEN OBAM WAS PRESIDENT, BECAUSE HE WAS HALF BLACK, IF OU DIDNT LIKE ANYTHING ABOUT HIM, IF YOU HAD AN ISSUE WITH HIM AT ALL, THEN YOU WERE A RACIST. NOW YOU ARE A CONSPIRACY THEORIST. ITS SO CONVENIENT WHEN YOU DONT HAVE A BETTER RESPONSE.
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larrystaleysbusinessconsultingservices said:
I have real trouble with these kinds of “fringe” medical doctors. I especially found her comments regarding social distancing to be very objectionable! Inferring it came from a science project and felt she even took unfair comments about the student. For this doctor’s information social distancing goes back two oo centuries more. In fact, the judicious use of social distancing helped limit the ravages of the 1918 Spanish Flu! Sorry I will listen to Dr. Fauci anytime compared to this Dr. Kelly !!!!!
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Michael Ott said:
Paula Slater is one of those disinfo bots that goes around leaving her “fear” message anywhere the MSM message is questioned. Hey Paula bot, I AGREE WITH DR KELLY VICTORY… COVID IS A CONSPIRACY TO KILL AMERICA.
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MICHAEL J STEFANO said:
THAT ARTICLE JUST SHOWS THAT THERE ARE DISSENTING OPTIONS TO THE MEDIA NARRATIVE. THE MEDIA HO NOW R UN MEDICAL REPORTING AND CENSOR IT. AND WE ALL KNOW DR FAUCI HAS BEEN ALL OVER THE MAP WITH MASKS AND EVERYTHING ELSE. FIRST HES WEARING IT AND THEN HES NOT. AND HISTORICALLY YES WE QUARANTINE THE SICK ONLY AND THOSE WE KNOW TO BE AT THE HIGHEST RISK, SO THIS HAS BEEN STANDARD PRACTICE FOR CENTURIES IN ALL HUMAN WRITINGS THAT DISCUSS IT INCLUDING BACK TO THE HEBREWS 400 B.C. QUARATINE FOR ASYMPTOMATICS MAKES NO SENSE. IF WE CANT USE BEING SICK OR HEALTHY WITHOUT SYMPTOMS AS OUR COMMON SENSE GUIDE, THEN WE COULD ALL ALWAYS HAVE IT OR BE ABLE TO TRANSMIT IT FOREVER AND WE COULD NOT FUNCTION AT ALL. AND OBVIOUSLY THE HUMAN RACE IS STILL HERE AND IN ITS GREATEST NUMBER S EVER. ALL HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONALS KNOW THIS BUT THEY ALL HAVE FINANCIAL AND POLITICAL AGENDAS THAT THEY ARE BEHOLDEN TO.
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MICHAEL J STEFANO said:
SPANISH FLU KILLED ALL PEOPLE OF ALL AGES, NOT OLDER HEALTH COMPROMISED PEOPLE LIKE 90% OF THE CORONA VIRUS DEATHS. IT IS OPPORTUNISTIC AND NOT REMOTELY A STRONG AS THE SPANISH FLU WAS. YOU ARE COMPARING APPLES AND ORANGES THERE. AND DR FAUCI IS GREAT ENTERTAINMENT BECAUSE YOU WONDER IF HE CAN SAY THE SAME THING TWICE IN A ROW.
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geoaffleck said:
I sent this out to many people I know under the heading of “Proper Response”.
Thanks IB for sharing it.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Thanks! I thought she presented some sound and reasonable information.
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Elizabeth Westlake said:
Today, July 6, five hospitals in Pinellas county, FL, where St Pete and Clearwater are located, ran out of ICU beds.
The rosy picture this woman paints sounds like it was paid for by the RNC.
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insanitybytes22 said:
To get accurate info, you really have to dig through those numbers. A couple of good questions to ask, “how many of those icu beds are covid-19 patients” and “how many beds did they have available two weeks ago?” Here where I live we went through the same kind of reporting and two days later the hospital released a statement saying the information had been exaggerated and that they had plenty of beds.
Here is what the Florida health care people are saying, “The Agency is in frequent communication with hospital leadership, and there is no concern with regard to the amount of beds that can be converted to allow additional bed availability. Bed availability percentages may change due to facilities taking beds offline as facilities adjust to more normal operations. Taking beds offline will create lower availability. Additionally, facilities maintaining lower bed counts in general will see greater fluctuations.”
Again, I have no idea what’s going on in Florida. Maybe they are overwhelmed with patients? I’m just saying the media is in the business of selling drama and fear, and usually don’t tell you the whole story.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Well here you go, that was fast!
“A spokesperson with AdventHealth told 10 Tampa Bay, “The information that we do not have ICU beds at AdventHealth North Pinellas is not accurate. Below you will find our statement on capacity and would encourage you to reach out to AHCA to provide additional context to their count.”
Several others from Pinellas county have now released similar statements.
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Thom Bachelder said:
RNC and Conservatives seem to be the only voices of reason in this mess. Every DEM control state should take even a measure of common sense represented here. Instead DEM’s/Progressives leadership follow bad advice and have politically weaponized this virus just to derail a sitting presidents re-election bid at the cost of countless lives and wrecked economies.
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Angela said:
I disagree you are being brainwashed by the media. Think about it the people who make up the CDC are getting paid and the longer they keep up the charade the more they make. Trump isnt stupid he knows their game why do you think he isnt masking up? let me answer that for you, its because the masks do more harm than good. we are breaking down our immunity by masking. its not protecting us because our bodies are made with their own ability to fight germs. By covering up we arent being exposed to the daily pathenagens we need to build a healthy immunity.
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MICHAEL J STEFANO said:
DONT BELIEVE THE FIRST THNG YOU READ.
https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/pinellas-county-administrator-monitoring-icu-beds-and-staff-shortages/67-0fe5c227-ff48-4e9c-8d98-17f0946a5007
On July 5th, a spokesperson with AdventHealth told 10 Tampa Bay, “The information that we do not have ICU beds at AdventHealth North Pinellas is not accurate. Below you will find our statement on capacity and would encourage you to reach out to AHCA to provide additional context to their count.”
All hospitals in the AdventHealth West Florida Division are closely and continuously monitoring positive COVID-19 cases in their facility. We currently have sufficient personal protective equipment (PPE) for our team members, patients and guests, as well as available med-surg beds, ICU beds and ventilators, should they be needed. The planning and protocols we put in place earlier this year, including strict safety guidelines, quarantining of COVID-19 patients in designated units and care areas, and enhanced cleaning measures, has well-positioned us to respond and ensure the continued high quality care for our community. It is important to note, that while cases are increasing, we are not experiencing a surge in patients who require hospitalization due to COVID-19 but we remain prepared to take care of any patient in need of our services.
10 Tampa Bay contacted AHCA to clarify the accuracy of the dashboard.
Patrick Manderfield, the Deputy Communications Director with the Agency For Health Care Administration sent the following details:
The data is self-reported daily into the Agency’s Emergency Status System by facilities, and the information is dynamic and changes throughout the day as it’s reported into our system.
As of 8:45 a.m. today, Pinellas County has 15 percent of ICU beds available and Hillsborough County has more than 16 percent of ICU beds available. If necessary, any person who needs an ICU bed would be transferred to an area hospital with availability, and right now, we have no reason to believe individuals who need ICU beds are not being given that level of care.
AND TRY TO REMEMBER THESE HOSPITALS WORK NEAR CAPACITY ON A REGUALR BASIS WITH PEOPLE THAT ARE ALREADY OLDER IN GENERAL WITH CO MORBIDITIES THAT RENDER THEM ACTUALLY ADMITTED FOR PERIOD OF TIME ,SOME ALREADY TERMINAL, AND MORE NOW UNDERGOING POST-OP REHAB FOR NON-RGENT SURGERIES THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY PTU ON HOLD.
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TheBoss said:
Ever heard the statement “the oldest people in the country live in Tampa and their grandparents live in St. Pete”. There is your answer.
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HAT said:
She needs to tell this to the Taino.
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insanitybytes22 said:
I’m not familiar with the Taino, Hat? 🙂
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Salvageable said:
Since Hat hasn’t answered, I’ll offer some context. The Taino inhabited the Caribbean islands that were visited by Christopher Columbus more than five hundred years ago. Like many other western hemisphere populations, they were devastated by European diseases for which they had no immunity–smallpox, measles, and others. Like the bubonic plague and the Spanish flu, the destructive European diseases in the western hemisphere are frequently used to illustrate the worst-case scenario of a pandemic–a regional or world population struck by illnesses to which we have no immunity. I’m sure Dr. Victory would find the comparison dubious at best. J.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Oh, is that what he is referring to? Thanks Salvageable. One of the benefits of globalism or multi-culturalism is that we’ve diversified the gene pool which makes us stronger, and we’ve strengthened our herd immunity. There are still some isolated and vulnerable groups out there and something like the Measles can do a lot more damage to them. We have a vaccine for Measles now which helps, too. Our Indian reservations in my neck of the woods know that history well and have chosen to completely seal themselves off right now. That’s fine short term, but eventually you will actually weaken your immune system, make your whole group more vulnerable to disease.
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Angela said:
SO we need to build out immunity to viruses
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HAT said:
Sorry, I was being snarky. Here’s a pretty interesting article on the Columbian exchange: https://www.kellogg.northwestern.edu/faculty/qian/resources/NunnQianJEP.pdf; it just seemed to me that this doctor was not taking the “new” aspect of the disease into account in her remarks.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Something that a lot of people don’t realize, in biology “novel” doesn’t really mean “new,” it means “known.” It means “known and identified.” The WHO and the CDC actually had a discussion about this a few years back. We should always name bugs after their geography and avoid the use of terms like “novel” because it tends to create misunderstandings and spread fear. I guess they scratched all that wisdom? The “Chinese flu,” does not engender the kind of fear that a “novel coronavirus” and “covid 19” does. The Chinese flu is something a laymen would understand, but a “novel coronavirus” with a spiky, angry, little cartoon character to go along with it, helps to make us feel uncertain and concerned.
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HAT said:
well … I’d go along with that, if what you mean by “known and identified” is “[not previously] known and identified,” which might possibly mean “… but it has been around for a long time and so is familiar to our immune systems, we just never noticed it before,” or could mean something different from that. So idk how much misunderstanding calling it “novel” really generates. As for fear, I find it helps not to read too much news.
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MICHAEL J STEFANO said:
IM SORRY, BUT AS A HEALTH ARE PROFESSIONAL I MUST CORRECT: The word “novel” originated from the Latin word “novus,” which means “new.” IT ABSOLUTELY DOES NOT MEAN “KNOWN” BY ANY USE OF THE WORD FOR ANY REASON, AND NEVER HAS. In medicine, “novel” usually refers to a virus or bacterial strain that was not previously identified. WHILE COVID-19 is a new “disease”, caused by the novel, or new, coronavirus SARS-CoV-2, IT WAS SO NAMED BECAUSE IT was not previously seen in humans, NOT BECAUSE IT IS ACTUALLY NEW OR PREVIOUSLY UNIDENTIFIED. SO YES IT WAS PREVIOUSLY KNOWN AND IDENTIFIED, BUT THAT DOESNT MAKE “KNOWN AND IDENTIFIED” THE MEANING OF NOVEL. I HOPE THAT MAKES IT MORE CLEAR INSTEAD OF MORE CONFUSING.
Coronaviruses are a family of viruses named for the crown-like spikes on their surface. The word “corona” itself means “crown.” Although most coronaviruses are found in animals, the first human coronaviruses were identified in the mid-1960s, and seven, including SARS-CoV-2, AS IT SAID , (ALREADY KNOWN AND IDENTIFIED IN THE 60S), are known to affect humans today. When animal coronaviruses evolve OR NOT and JUMP FROM RESERVIOR TO ANOTHER and are FOUND TO BE able to infect humans, these viruses are considered to be “novel”, even though they were previously known and identified.
COVID-19 is caused by a different coronavirus than those that cause the common cold. Four of the seven human coronaviruses typically cause mild to moderate illness(THE COMMON COLD) and account for 10% to 30% of upper respiratory tract infections in adults. The other three, including SARS-CoV-2, can cause more serious respiratory illness(COVID-19). More on this below.
SO TO CLARIFY, THE VIRUS WAS ALREADY IDENTIFIED AS ONE OF 7 IN A FAMILY DECADES AGO, 4 OF WHICH ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR COMMON COLD . IT IS NOW CALLED “NOVEL” BECAUSE IT 1. APPARENTLY JUMPED FROM AN ANIMAL RESERVIOR TO HUMANS, AND, 2. IS CAUSING ILLNESS IN HUMANS, WHEREAS MOST VIRUSES ARE SPECIES SPECIFIC.
SO WE ARE NOT STARTING FROM SCRATCH HERE. THEY COULD EXPLAIN THIS BETTER IF THEY WANTED TO.
ALSO, BECAUSE OUR BODIES MAKE THE SAME INNATE IMMUNITY ANTIBODIES FOR COVID-19 AS THEY DO FOR THE OTHER ONES THAT CASE THE COMMON COLD, THERE ARE AND WILL BE A HIGH DEGREE OF FALSE POSITIVE TESTS, SOMETHING ELSE THEY COULD EXPLAIN BETTER.
SO, if you test positive, IT DOESNT EVEN MEAN YOU HAD THE NEW VIRUS. IT COULD JUST MEAN, LIKE MOST OF THE ENTIRE WORLD POPULATION, THAT YOU ARE CARRYING COMMON COLD VIRUSES, WHICH WE ALL WILL OUR ENTIRE LIVES.
SO IF WE CANNOT USE BEING ASYMPTOMATIC AS A MEDICALLY SAFE AND SOCIALLY CONSIDERATE WAY TO FUNCTION IN SOCIETY AS NORMAL, THEN WE WOULD ALL NEED TO WEAR MASKS OUR WHOLE LIVES FROM NOW ON, USING THE NEW GUIDELINES. THE MORE THEY KEEP TESTING, THE MORE THEY WILL FIND OUT JUST HOW MANY PEOPLE HAVE THE COMMON COLD VIRUS, WHICH WILL BE MOST OF US, AND SO THEY WILL BE ABLE TO CONTINUE TO SAY THAT WE HAVE NOT YET SHED “THE” VIRUS. AND THEY KNOW THIS. BUT LOTS OF MONEY TO BE MADE WITH HOSPITALIZATIONS, TESTS, THERAPEUTICS, VACCINE RESEARCH, AND OF COURSE THE POLITICAL AGENDA.
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Citizen Tom said:
@Hat
It is entirely possible that we might get clobbered by a virus that has a high lethality rate. The Coronavirus (COVID-19), however, is not such a virus.
When COVID-19 first lit up our radar, the Chinese were hiding what they knew about the virus. Nevertheless, we soon saw that they were going to great lengths to prevent its spread, and they were having trouble doing that. So, our heath authorities, once they stopped trusting the Chinese, started assuming the worst.
To some extent Dr. Victory is, I think, correct to criticize our public health authorities. Our public health authorities have not made much effort to moderate the panic they started over the virus. They have not explained their overreaction or pointed to possible milder mutations as an explanation for the virus’ lower than anticipated lethality rate. Yet, they could easily justify adopting a revised strategy for dealing with the virus, a strategy that is less costly but still protects those at risk.
Anyway, since I don’t want to give the damn thing to my lady, I will continue to wear a mask when interacting with the public, but I do wish my countrymen and children would calm down. At this point, it is largely safe to go back to old normal. We just need to protect places like nursing homes.
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Salvageable said:
I don’t usually click on links like this one, and don’t generally give them 17 minutes of my time. This was worth it. Any idea when it was recorded? Do the current increasing numbers of infection invalidate any of her points? J.
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insanitybytes22 said:
I really don’t know when she made this video? The oldest version I can find seems to be from June 13, 2020.
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geoaffleck said:
Keeping the virus from some people by isolating the healthy only delays the inevitable. Unless you are prepared to live under a rock for the rest of your life, you will come in contact with it, just like the flu. The question is will the death rate rise with the increased infection rate. My bet is that it will not rise significantly. Simply because those who have kept themselves from being exposed to it, and are now out and about, are generally healthy.
We will look back on the world’s reaction to this whole thing the way we now view the Salem witch hunts.
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insanitybytes22 said:
There’s some good science behind the idea of protecting our elders and immo compromised people, while letting the virus move out among the young and healthy. Often that will cause it to mutate and weaken.
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MICHAEL J STEFANO said:
YES, VIRUSES ATTENUATE(WEAKEN) WITH TIME, LIKE YOUR CELLS CAN ONLY REPRODUCE SUCCESSFULLY SO MANY TIMES UNTIL THEY NO LONGER CAN, AND MOST MUTATIONS IN ALL LIVING OR BIOLOCIALLY ACTIVE ENTITIES ARE BAD NOT GOOD. IT MEANS TO MUTE OR SILENCE SOME OTHERWISE VITAL GENETIC INFORMATION, WHICH IS GENERALLY NOT GOOD. NOW ADAPTATION MEANS TO INTELLIGENTLY SELECT FROM WITHIN AN ALREADY AVAILABLE GENE POOL TO BEST FUNCTION AND SURVIVE UNDER CHANGING CIRCUMSTANCES. THIS IS NOT EVOLVING,(ONE SPECIES TO ANOTHER ) THIS IS ADAPTING WITHIN A SPECIES.
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Frankie Thibeault said:
Dr.Stephano,,.Is there a possibility they could find a test more reliable than this one that cause a lot of false positive? A blood test could not be more trusty? What do you think? Thank you!
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MICHAEL J STEFANO said:
THIS IS A MOUTHFUL FROM THE AAFP. AMERICAN ACADEMY OF FAMILY PHYSICIANS WHICH WILL SHOW YOU HOW COMPLICATED THE TESTING FIELD IS. https://www.aafp.org/patient-care/emergency/2019-coronavirus/covid-19_resources/covid-19–testing.html
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Randy Epps said:
Every time I hear this kind of common sense scientific treatise on the understanding of our amazing abilities to fight the bodily invaders, and share it, so many call it wrong, anti-science, racist or hateful.
I still believe it.
I am not a scientist.
But I believe in the ultimate intelligent design, even with man’s many sinful attempts to prove God wrong.
Thanks for sharing this IB.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Yes! One of the reasons why I started this blog was because I was so blown away by human biology, including our ability to heal and our immune systems. It’s an amazing and incredible design and speaks to the fact that we have an amazing and incredible Designer! 🙂
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MICHAEL J STEFANO said:
WOW YET A NEW DEFINITION OF RACIST. THE IGNORANCE IS THE REAL PANDEMIC SADLY
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Tricia said:
Excellent video IB. I plan o sharing it, but unfortunately those that need to see and hear the good doctor’s words have no interest in learning anything because you see, they already know all there is to know and are happy to live in fear and waiting for the government to tell them when its safe to come out.
Very scary times really on how easily people are being manipulated by this.
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insanitybytes22 said:
These really are scary times, Tricia. Most people have no idea what’s going on because they’re being kept busy freaking out about a virus with a 99.95 survival rate.
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Tricia said:
It’s just infuriating. The real scandal is the mass murders happening in nursing homes around the country where the bulk of Covid deaths have happened. Instead of properly devoting resources towards this and in shaming (and throwing in jail) governors who sent Covid positive patients to live in these homes, politicians and the news media obsess over upticks in cases of 30 year olds with no symptoms.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Very true and it really is infuriating! I pray for good people to be strengthened and for eyes to be opened.
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MICHAEL J STEFANO said:
IT ONLY STRENGTHENS THE “CONSPIRACY THEORY” THAT THERE ARE CLEARLY OTHER AGENDAS. THE MEDIA AND THE DEM GOVS ARE ALL ON THE SAME TEAM, SO THATS HOW THEY GET AWAY WITH IT BECAUSE THE AVERAGE PERSON DOESNT KNOW THAT. THE GAME IS RIGGED.
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Angela said:
omg you are spot on. I am dealing with a friend who refuses to even consider the possibility that this women is right
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MICHAEL J STEFANO said:
DR UPDATE ON VIRUS. EXPLAINS HOW MEDIA AND GOVERNORS SHOULD NOT BE DECIDING THE GUIDANCE AND SHUTTING THING S DOWN AGAIN.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Thank you for posting that video. Again, some calm, sensible information. That is priceless these days. 🙂
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irtfyblog said:
LOL!!! Thanks for sharing this, IB…
I laugh because this is the EXACT SAME INFORMATION the ER doctor told my family back on March 9th, 2020 when my mom was in the hospital. He wasn’t worried about COVID-19 then…and isn’t worried about it now. He also mentioned that he didn’t trust the CDC, FDA, DHHS or the World Health Organization…and still doesn’t, because they operate from grant funding. If these organizations can raise major fears in society, they get more grant money without question. This was from an ER doctor that spent 30 years in his profession.
I should also mention that he said the “coronavirus” has been around since forever, but they have known about the basic form of coronavirus since about the 1950’s. He said there are NUMEROUS variations of the coronavirus and every single person has a type of coronavirus in their system due to the common cold and flu…COVID-19 was just another strain of coronavirus and could be more of a problem for people with lower immune systems, heart and lung issues or other health concerns, but the majority of people around the world, won’t see any symptoms because they have antibodies in their system that help fight off the virus.
He said that these antibodies come from fighting off various strains of the flu or common cold.
He left us with this advice…
Be smart and wise when you’re around others.
Always wash your hands.
Don’t take unnecessary risks if you don’t have to, but most of all…
If you feel sick.. stay home until you’re well again to be around others!
Oddly enough, seven different nurses that treated my mom shared the same assessment, so did the cardiologist, two respiratory specialists and a radiologist. 🙂
(fyi…for those wondering, my mom had a heart attack related to complications of MS… she did NOT have covid-19.)
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insanitybytes22 said:
I am pleased to hear that your mom had some good care and some sensible doctors and nurses. That is good news!
I bump into some people who have been really terrorized by the fear and hysteria, and I just think, this is so criminal, so wrong, so immoral. Also, really bad for their health. There’s a big difference between telling people the truth and hyping them up into hysteria.
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MICHAEL J STEFANO said:
GREAT STORY.
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Rebecca LuElla Miller said:
She lost me at “a tiny fraction.” Ten percent is not “tiny.” Not to mention that her “cyclical,” “declining in the summer months” is inconsistent with what is happening RIGHT NOW. Plus, they have no idea what the virus is doing to the internal organs of people who recover. My neighbor’s father just died from covid19, and basically he succumbed because his kidneys started to shut down. Who knows if others who recover still haven’t had their kidneys weakened in some way our tests don’t yet show. Or their heart. Or lungs.
Let’s face it. This virus is like having roaches: if you have even one little female roach, you have roaches. We will never get rid of this virus by “going back to our lives.” People will continue to die and perhaps receive unknown long term affects if we do not isolate and quarantine. The alternative is for us all to get sick and may the fittest survive. I don’t see that as an approach consistent with the Bible.
The fear is part of the human condition, and in some ways is a good thing. If people suddenly, in the face of a disease they can’t control, might actually start thinking about their mortality and their need to do something about their eternal destiny. But no, we find ways to get around God’s warnings. We land on catch phrases like “we’re all in this together,” and “we’ll get through this,” or we simply discount this event as something that requires our attention.
It’s disappointing to me that we as believers are not taking advantage of the opportunity to proclaim the truth—that one day God will not give us a virus that will impact a few. The we actually now have a more serious “virus” that has infected us all, and we can’t just pull up our socks and keep going on.
Becky
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Lynn said:
I believe that more people are becoming infected with the virus due to stress from being on lock down, stress from riots, the big dust storms, loss of wages, and social distancing. I agree that it is time to take our lives back and to trust our bodies to do their jobs. Everyone wants to be on-line physicians…. people need to let the real physicians talk. Not the ones that work in an office.
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Angela said:
Agree 100 percent its because we have destroyed our immunity
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Aaron said:
A couple issues I have with her logic:
She says – to prevent a second wave, we should let ourselves get exposed to initiate herd immunity. That’s like saying – we should all get it now so that we don’t all get it later. Does that really make sense?
Also, she focuses on “dangers” of wearing masks too much – yet emphasizes that the virus is not all that dangerous. I think the chances of becoming seriously ill from wearing a mask pale in comparison to the chances of becoming seriously ill from contracting COVID. Thousands of American workers have been wearing masks for years (nurses, doctors, etc.).
She downplays the effectiveness of masks at containing the virus – yet she emphasizes that masks will trap too much CO2 – a molecule that is 1000X smaller than a virus.
She emphasizes the risk of breathing in virus particles or bacteria or pollen that get caught in your mask – but later she says its a good thing for us to breathe in viruses and bacteria to keep our immune system fit. As a side note – if you are breathing out COVID particles, that means you are already infected – and breathing those back in won’t make you more infected.
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insanitybytes22 said:
“She says – to prevent a second wave, we should let ourselves get exposed to initiate herd immunity. That’s like saying – we should all get it now so that we don’t all get it later. Does that really make sense?”
Actually it does make sense, because as our bodies wrestle with viruses, the viruses themselves mutate and weaken and we also become immune to them. We want kids to have something like chicken pox for example, so they do not get it as adults. As children most bounce right through it and have lifetime immunity. We do not want them to get it later as adults when their immune system is not as strong and their bodies are weaker.
Children seem to have an immunity to covid9 that is not fully understood. So do all the people who have tested positive and never gotten sick. Also, this alleged incubation period of 14 days, suggests that there is already plenty of immunity going on. So our natural ability to cope with viruses and defend ourselves against them is really powerful and not being taken into account at all.
Herd immunity is already happening and progressing exactly the way we know it does. It is quite likely herd immunity will protect us and rid us of the virus long before scientists ever come up with any kind of vaccine.
As to co2 in masks, we’ve measured the levels in masks and it does become toxic. It’s just like putting your head under blankets or sitting in a stuffy car with a bunch of people. Sure you can do it for a while, but eventually you need more air, eventually you start getting dizzy, lightheaded, and headachy from the co2.
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Aaron said:
I understand the comparison to chicken pox – but it’s different on many levels. For one, the antibody response from getting chicken pox is sufficient to prevent you from getting it again. We don’t know if that’s the case with COVID. Antibody testing has shown that some people with minor cases of COVID have not retained antibodies. Viral mutations are not always a good thing. The reason we need a yearly flu vaccine is because the virus keeps mutating. If COVID keeps mutating, it could be that any antibodies you develop won’t be able to prevent a subsequent infection.
Yes, you wanted children to get chicken pox when young because it is harsher when they are older – but herd immunity for COVID would require the majority of people getting it – both young and old. While the death rate from chicken pox is extremely low – there is more of a risk to willingly subjecting yourself to COVID. The children might be fine – but the millions of people with diabetes and other conditions would be at risk.
Herd immunity might “protect us” in the long run – but it might cost many people their lives to get there. The more people that are exposed – the more deaths you will have, just by the numbers.
You can weigh the costs/benefits of masks. Do I risk the chance of getting a headache? Or do I unknowingly carry COVID and risk the chance of passing it on to someone at risk?
Contrary to what Dr. Victory said – there is a real risk of asymptomatic people passing it on:
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/7/20-1595_article
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insanitybytes22 said:
“You can weigh the costs/benefits of masks. Do I risk the chance of getting a headache?”
Well, first of all are we talking about spending 15 minutes shopping in a store or 8 hours going up and down a ladder? There have been several workplace accidents due to our unwillingness to examine the nuances here. Masks do impair your vision, decrease your oxygen, and increase co2. A couple of warehouses have suspended masks wearing on account of the fact that it is dangerous and dumb to make people more than six feet away from one another wear masks going up ladders while engaging in physical labor. That serves no good health purpose and is in fact harmful.
As to the rest of your comment, a lot of the premises being made are not possible, so the only thing I can conclude is that something is still flawed with our assorted forms of testing. Chicken pox for example does not just disappear from the body, it can give us Shingles later in life. To suggest that perhaps covid doesn’t leave any antibodies is kind of like magical thinking. To suggest we don’t build immunity and can just catch it over and over again is also extremely unlikely. To suggest that it might mutate and get stronger is also highly unlikely. If viruses became more powerful each time we encountered them, humankind would have died out long ago.
Regardless, we are going to find out the truth about herd immunity because the virus is already out there among the general population. Yes, people are going to get sick and die. We cannot just hide and try to live in small, isolated, sanitary world indefinitely. We cannot really control the spread. We can perhaps slow it down a wee bit, flatten the curve so our hospitals are not overwhelmed all at once, but like it or not, this bug is moving rapidly through the population. I think that is good news because that means herd immunity will build and it will weaken. As it weakens our elders and immo compromised are made safer.
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Aaron said:
Just a couple quick points:
Yes, you build antibodies if you get Covid. The question is how long does our body maintain these antibodies to prevent a further infection. Tests have shown that people who had a mild case of Covid did not maintain their antibodies indefinitely. My coworker got COVID and he continues to be checked for antibodies each month to see if he still has them in his system.
A mutating virus doesn’t mean a stronger virus – it just means it can more easily evade our immune system. Again, the comparison is the flu virus. If you get the flu, you develop antibodies against that particular strain. But, the flu virus mutates a lot – so the following year, your antibodies may not be effective against the newest strain. That’s why you can keep getting the flu again and again.
The point of masks is to flatten the curve. If herd immunity was the best solution – we should all go back to regular lives without masks and let everybody and anybody catch it that will catch it. As a result, you will have overwhelm the medical system.
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JAMES FLYNN said:
Can you please post some studies or provide a link to studies regarding the wearing of paper and/or cloth masks and their relationship to increased CO2 levels in the blood? I would like studies from medical journals please-preferably peer reviewed. I ask because I keep hearing this claim about CO2 but no one has ever been able to point me in the direction of a medically peer reviewed article that substantiates this claim.
Thanks
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insanitybytes22 said:
You can actually do your own tests with a co2 tester and find out for yourself. A good rule of thumb is whether or not you can blow out a candle through your mask. If you can’t easily expel air out of your mask, then you’re not going to be easily expelling co2, either.
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Rick D’Ambrosio said:
I have listened to your video and you say temperature has a lot to do with COVID-19. So way is there a out break in Arizona there temperature has been over 80 degrees and temperatures in the 100rds for months.. hope to here back thanks.Rick
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Jeffrey Hicken said:
Do you know what you call a doctor who graduates last in her class from medical school? One who barely made the grade, got by by the skin of her teeth? You call her Doctor. All do respect for her accomplishments, her cherry picking facts to make her argument does not make what she says is true. Right now Arizona kinda blows the hot environment limiting the virus thing out of the water. Also the CDC, WHO and pretty much every credible authority are pretty much in agreement that physical distancing and wearing a mask when with others outside your immediate family [those you live with], is a must to help slow down the spread of this virus. Her disregard for the 130k people here in the US or over a half million people in the world who have died from this virus is horrible. Now to be fair, I have no idea when this video was made, it could have been filmed back in March when folks were scrambling to fully understand this virus, but for her to be so irresponsible to make a video like this breaks the most important guide of her profession and that is the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm. Advice like this can be and has been deadly.
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Debra Blank said:
To all those here that seem to be calling this Dr. a “crackpot”, I have heard this same information from many other doctors, so are they all “crackpots”? Seems to me when you start hearing the same idea from numerous persons, it bears listening to. As to her credibility, I don’t think somebody who “graduated last in her class” would qualify for all the following:
Kelly Victory, MD, is a board-certified trauma and emergency specialist with over 15 years of clinical experience. She served as CMO for Whole Health Management, delivering on-site healthcare services for Fortune 500 companies. She holds a BS from Duke University and her MD from the University of North Carolina.
Dr Victory is an expert in disaster preparedness and the medical management of mass casualties. She is a member of the National Preparedness Leadership Initiative, a combined effort of Harvard School of Public Health and the Kennedy School of Government to develop meta-leaders for national disaster preparedness and response. She has worked closely with officials from Homeland Security, the US Department of Health and Human Services, the Federal Emergency Management Agency, and multiple branches of the military.
Dr Victory has been a guest lecturer at the Harvard Business School Healthcare Conference, and she is a member of the Leadership Council at Harvard School of Public Health. She is the former president of the Colorado chapter of Docs4PatientCare, a physician group dedicated to protecting the doctor-patient relationship and personal choice in healthcare. Dr Victory also served as an advisor to the Romney healthcare policy team and remains actively involved in the reform debate. Dr Victory currently teaches an “Active Shooter Rapid Response and Extraction” course and “Leadership in Times of Crisis” for first responders, community leaders, and organizations, aimed at limiting casualties, improving outcomes and enhancing resiliency. She makes frequent radio and television appearances to discuss issues related to healthcare policy, emergency and disaster, and public health.
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Randy Uthe said:
I too have a degree in Public Health and Disaster management from Tulane’s School of Public Health and Tropical Medicine. I have been involved in public heath for over two decades in over a dozen countries. Dr. Victory’s video is full of holes, misstatements and false narratives. Her comments do not line up with reality and her history of “social distancing” is flat wrong. Although much of the verbiage is fairly recent, around the early 1960’s, the practices have been practiced with for decades before that. During the Spanish Flu, they implemented similar practices as well as isolation and quarantine measure. yes, they actually did all 3 during the 1918-1919 pandemic. The practice became tested more formally by the CDC in the early 2000’s. Public health practices evolve all the time as other areas of medicine evolve all the time. We all benefit from medicine’s ability to evolve and improve. Reading some of the responses here, with people talking about assumptions while making their own assumptions, shows why people still share videos like this. Dr. Victory is NOT being truthful and pushing an agenda.
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Jimmy Montgomery said:
This same video has been removed by You Tube for dissemination of false information. Dr. Victory is a known conspiracy theorist who has ran for office before on the Republican ticket. She, and/or her friends are probably losing a lot of money due to the pandemic so they are getting a little desperate. About 70% of what she says in the video is true, but several of her statements give percentages that have not been proven as true yet and/or are directly false. Because the video contains false statements, You Tube had to remove it.
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insanitybytes22 said:
You-tube did NOT have to remove it. “Dissemination of false information” is a new and scary form of censorship, far more dangerous than any virus, and Americans need to wake up and speak up while we still can.
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Jack Curtis said:
Perhaps, by inviting government into so much of our lives, we have politicized everything, including medical science? If so, should we not expect our children’s lives to be run like the Postal Service?
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