I thought this was “just adorable!” Snark, snark.
Laughing wryly here, but I’ve been having entirely too much fun watching the annual Seattle-Protest-Everything-Riot where they seize the streets, the cops go home, and nobody knows what to do because our local leadership is farther Left then the radicals out smashing windows, and yes Matt Walsh, we have “totally given up on society.”
It’s a yearly event. Thanks for noticing.
Every year! This is a matter of routine. WTO, May Day Riots, Pride Parades, Occupy Everything, Antifa. Without fail hoards of confused, mostly young entitled white people, hijack a cause, seize the streets, and just go out to break things and Rage Against the Machine. They want to rebuild society. They have a utopian vision. Than a roving gang of homeless people steals all their food and they get really hungry. One year the City Council actually had pizzas delivered for them. The city has now brought in sanicans and handwashing stations. It’s like watching a really bad rerun over and over and over again.
Fortunately we can interrupt this regularly scheduled programming of “Dispatches from the 9th Circuit of Hell,” to bring you, “Wit and Wisdom from the Atheist World.”
All in good humor here, but I almost wish this was the foundation of Christianity! Near as I can tell, a good chunk of Christian people just completely ignore Scripture. The atheist version of fictional Paul is in great shape, he actually believes Scripture is a valid source! Woot! Three cheers for Paul.
I should elaborate on the notion of “hallucinations,” but I’m a bit gun shy. The last time I tried to defend the nature of reality and the limits of human perception, the guy who sat down to inform me I was the crazy one, was wearing nothing but a loin cloth with a bone through his nose. I surely don’t want to repeat that experience! Suffice it to say, I not only talk to the voices in my head, when they line up with Scripture and with the goodness of God, I actually do what they say. My sheep know my voice.
But most importantly, as beloved as Paul is, as much as his words have just poured into those broken parts of my soul at the most desperate of times, he is not actually “Christianity’s foundation.” He is hugely influential, significant, faithful, historical, much loved, but Christianity’s foundation is actually Jesus Christ.
I just want to say that once more, Christianity’s foundation is actually Jesus Christ. But mostly I just want to say to atheists, don’t let fear of being perceived as a hallucinating nutcase who relies on the Bible, keep you away from Jesus. Trust me, you’re living in an asylum run by clowns, selling “Science” to the highest bidder, and making a mockery out of people’s ability to think for themselves.
I call this area I live in the 9th circuit of hell because our foundation is all broken, because our edges have become blurred lines, because what is good is called “bad” what is bad is called “good,” and it is all very relative. About the only thing you can count on is that everything will be cloaked in complete moral ambiguity and those who try to work hard will be punished and those whose don’t will be rewarded.
Somebody smart gave me the word confused, meaning “con” and “fused,” fused to a con, also known as chained to a deception. Atheists may not like the foundation of Christianity, they may mock and ridicule them, lie and distort them, but at least there is a foundation, a standard, a parameter to contain our human chaos.
Hope I don’t sound too gloomy. I’m actually blessed and highly favored, safe even, and caught off guard by unexpected moments of joy. I just grieve for people sometimes, and for a world that desperately needs Jesus.
See, there's this thing called biology... 
Loved this! So true.
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Speaking of seeing things, surely u are aware of the idiot ‘Christians’ who say Paul started his own religion.
I would call them worse than that, but then I would have to apologize to atheists/ at least they have an excuse/ a lousy one, but still….
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IB, You crack me up! I love how you can take an incomprehensibly (to some) lighthearted view of things. A couple thoughts: Why are atheists so adamant about dismissing something they claim doesn’t exist? It seems to me that in so doing they acknowledge that there is something there. The next thing is these people so desperate to be heard are the first ones to stifle or shut down debate entirely and take away my right to my own ideas, beliefs, and experience. What vision of their brand of authoritarianism is suitable? The Roman Empire, Maoist China pick any failed Marxist government, which is it? They all have led to the mass extinction of dissenting individuals. Clearly, they haven’t thought that far or even examined themselves honestly
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Ha! Thanks for reading Jeff, and for your kind words. If nothing else, a merry heart is good medicine. 🙂
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So, I just saw short clip of the “Autonomous Zone” in Seattle and I have absolutely nothing productive to say except that maybe you guys need a little bit more sun up there! Haha, sun…SON….you know?
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Amen! It can get so crazy sometimes, it just renders us all speechless. More SON-light would fix everything! 🙂
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I’ve been beaten into submission by the left, atheists, demons, liars, fools, and sometimes even ‘friends’. By force of shear numbers, they must be be right. I mean, they can’t all be wrong. Nevertheless, I still win, content to glory in my ‘hallucinations’. The voices I hear and heed, confirm my beliefs. They perpetuate my illusions of peace and well-being. I’m one happy idiot!
THAT is what they deny. The RELATIONSHIP with God which they cannot conceive because they refuse to accept it. They must reject any notion of the existence of God, else be forced to accept their accountability to Him. Rebels without a cause, because they work overtime trying to prove a fallacy, while the truth glares brilliantly century after century, generation to generation. I have peace, they have constant unrest. Sadly, though they’ve been reminded time after time that I was once them, they won’t concede that there is something to my conversion far beyond human intellect can comprehend.
They are right. The supernatural cannot be proven in the natural. Of course, that’s why I refer to God as ‘super’ natural! Those who miss God’s goodness are those who have changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. BTW, that’s what Paul wrote to the disciples at Rome -Ro. 1:23.
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LOL! Three cheers for us happy idiots, MJ. “Perpetuating peace and well being,” sounds absolutely worthwhile. I’m sorry about all the opposition. 🙂
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Remember that the people accusing you of hallucinating are probably taking psychedelics before they sing “Imagine” together on zoom.
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Exactly. Taking psychedelics is practically a form of recreation here! Since when do we frown on hallucinating? 🙂
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IB, what in the heck is this “chas / chaz” business I’ve been reading about?
A take over of 6 blocks in Seattle becoming some “new” nation within a nation???
What in the heck????
I am sitting on the curb now waiting for Jesus, I am not long for this sort of world!!!
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LOL! Well, the first thing to know, is this is somewhat “normal,” or “routine” for this area. Happens darn near every year! A couple years ago they ran out of food so the city council actually delivered them pizzas. The are fully supported or “condoned” by much of our elected leadership.
Now you now why I lament and whine so much about living in the “9th circuit of hell.” I’m rather encouraged by much of the response from people seeing it on the news, like, “but, this is just insane!” Yes, precisely! 🙂
To add to the aggravation we are all still under a lockdown, all of us politically incorrect people. So we are not supposed to run a small business and not supposed to go to church, because those activities are a public health crisis.
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Like I say— sitting in the curb waiting
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The fact that you live there makes your writing even more entertaining. “My sheep hear my voice” has been rolling around in my head for a couple of weeks now. I have this picture of a bunch of sheep (different flock) running around because of one command, then suddenly changing directions because of an opposite command from the same “shepherd”. Over and over and over. The rules keep changing.
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This is a bit of a tangent off your main point, but… “Paul never mentioned eyewitnesses”? Do the first several verses of I Corinthians 15 not count? J.
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LOL! Good point, Salvageable. Paul mentions many eyewitnesses, a few hundred here, 500 over there, James and all the Apostles. The thing is, in the atheist mind they do not count because they are second hand accounts. As irrational as that sounds, I think there’s a valid point hidden in there. If people wish to know Jesus they’re going to have to go seek Him out themselves. Every report coming from someone else is always going to be “second hand.” There’s tremendous value in that, but it’s not a substitute for seeking Him ourselves.
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“…they do not count because they are second hand accounts.”
Paul was a 1st person eyewitness to the Damascus Road incident where he was thrown from his horse as a light from heaven flashed around him. He heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting”. (Ac. 9: 3-5)
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It’s kind of a standard atheist catch 22, MJ. A first person account or testimony just doesn’t count because you may have been hallucinating. A second hand account doesn’t count because it’s second hand.
I believe their accounts, I think they are sound and reasonable, but what really convinces me Paul’s words are true is that when you put them into action, they work.
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Belief in hallucinations is apparently easier to accept than belief in God. We all agree that hallucinations are figments of an overly vivid imagination. Therefore, it must follow sensible reason that every eyewitness whose testimony matches the testimony of millions of others from different vantage points at multiple various times throughout centuries are all equally disillusioned. The SAME is also true of those who lack any personal experience. So, the atheist can neither back his case with substantiated FACT and is just as likely hallucinating when viewing supportive evidence for the existence of God as illegitimate!
Are we to accept that this is probably a mere coincidence? That the ‘so-called’ Word of God (written by ‘so-called’ mere men), wrote: That it is impossible for any to come to God unless He draws them. That God will introduce Himself when a person favorably responds to His call. That without faith, it s impossible to please God.That those who search for Him with ALL their heart will find Him.
Seeing that NONE of those conditions are an appreciated experience in the atheist, God remains aloof. Here, the real miracle is the ages-old perfect control over such mass hallucinations! I guess we should all worship coincidence.
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LOL! Well said, MJ. The Bible is remarkably consistent, especially considering it was written across continents, across centuries, by different people, even. That’s an astounding conspiracy to try to organize and orchestrate. I’m not sure we could even replicate it using modern technology?
Also, the Bible still works! Jesus still saves. Our lives are made so much richer with Him in them. 🙂
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“Trust me, you’re living in an asylum run by clowns, selling “Science” to the highest bidder, and making a mockery out of people’s ability to think for themselves.”
You are simply either a conspiracy merchant IB or anti science. Or maybe you just do not realise that without modern science things would still be as they were in the times of your bronze age Jesus and if you are lucky enough you could live to 40 years old.
Of course this attitude could also be the garbage they feed you at the pulpit about science, particularly about biological evolutionary facts. However I give you slightly more credit than that and I expect it is your ideological brain that kicks in and science is a good whipping boy whenever it is convenient.
Degrading science will not encourage any atheists to the Lord, the contrary in fact, people who deny science are seen by most atheists as to be so indoctrinated it is best to steer clear of them, unless of course you want to try and point them towards some real facts on terra firma.
“I just grieve for people sometimes, and for a world that desperately needs Jesus.”
That is just fine, you believe Jesus will save the world, however history and current issues are well understood in recognising that religious passions just compound the problems of self-glorifying, discrimination and rebellion.
And as a side note, atheists do not need to talk to anyone inside their heads but themselves and they are just as happy as theists, if not happier, and in contrast to what you may have heard from the pulpit.
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Sorry, sklyjd, most Christians are not anti-science, they are anti-scientism–the opiate of many anti-Christian internet trolls (and popular atheist book sellers) who propagate their fallacious arguments and masquerade it as science. You need to update your arguments.
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sklyjd – you never responded to my suggestion that you read the scientific journals that are peer-reviewed, bilingual academic periodicals serving scholars who work in a wide range of sub-fields in religious, theological, biological, psychological, physiological, and archeological studies – to name a few. It seems you limit ‘SCIENCE’ to a small spectrum of study that hopes to merely reinforce your ignorance of the bigger picture. True science is a strictly adhered to method of evaluation, regardless of the specific field. Good science does NOT reject other just as valid research based on personal bias and/or preconceptions. ALL science contributes to the WHOLE. Adopting only one or several fields legitimate study over others that you personally reject, is grossly UNSCIENTIFIC!
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Maybe a lot of Christians enjoy science but just do not like the parts that do not fit their beliefs, just like they pick and chose what they like from the Bible.
Any so called science that tries to fit God on top of the tree without scientific evidence is simply science fiction and recognised as such by the real scientists. What is it that you allude too with “masqueraded as science”? sounds very much like a conspiracy.
I can think of one masquerader, Donald reckoned he knew more than the scientists with his own cures for the virus. Big fail.
You may call me unscientific for not sharing in your ideological beliefs, however the majority of the worlds scientists who I support actually do know what they are doing have far more expertise, many more years of education and on average higher IQ levels than most of us, especially a few theists with bronze age ideals, but most importantly these scientists follow the procedures and rules of science and have absolutely no reason to lie about their work. Sure you get some bad apples in every field of expertise but that is human failure.
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“…have absolutely no reason to lie about their work.” ??? Their reason to lie is shared by ALL perpetrators of myths, fables, heresies, and fallacies! Pride, personal gain, and satisfaction derived from a perverted sense of moral superiority. Some of the richest people made their wealth by promoting a scam. he hoax business has always been quite lucrative and attracts many who have no integrity!
Such fraudsters are masquerading as ministers of truth, peddling unsubstantiated theories as scientific fact. Their research is incomplete and premature conclusions are too often passed on as legitimate. The recent continuing controversy over covid-19 is proof of this. Scientists, doctors, and magistrates cannot agree on much of the data thus far. Statements. policies, and procedures have been sanctioned only to be refuted days later – so many times, that it is the norm rather than the exception.
Wear a mask/don’t wear masks; isolate/don’t isolate; social distance – don’t go to beaches or parks, but protest and riot all you want? All in the name of science????
As in EVERYTHING, the reliability of the SOURCE establishes its credibility. When the track record (history) of some ‘science’ is prudently scrutinized they are found to be dishonest and treacherous. Masquerading as scientists, journalists, and public servants they are mere wolves in sheep’s clothing attracting the naive, ignorant, and less educated as wolves entrap and devour their prey.
The gullible never question their motives buying into the innocence their monikers indicate. “Antifa” is NOT against fascism as the name implies. If they were forward “Antilaw” is a more appropriate label. “BLM” has proved to be less about black lives and really to push new myths and new hatred.”Progressives” are really only socialists, and true liberals have gone so far left that they’ve reinterpreted the Constitution to support ONLY their freedoms, their bogus claims to equality, and their attempts to rewrite history. Yes, they are ALL (scientists, journalists, and public servants) masquerading and have reason to lie about their work!
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“Their reason to lie is shared by ALL perpetrators of myths, fables, heresies, and fallacies! Pride, personal gain, and satisfaction derived from a perverted sense of moral superiority. Some of the richest people made their wealth by promoting a scam. he hoax business has always been quite lucrative and attracts many who have no integrity!”
Very true and religions have people who are arguably the real professionals at the hoax business.
“The recent continuing controversy over covid-19 is proof of this. Scientists, doctors, and magistrates cannot agree on much of the data thus far. Statements. policies, and procedures have been sanctioned only to be refuted days later – so many times, that it is the norm rather than the exception.”
The world is suddenly hit by a virus. A new virus that is totally unknown and people are dying. Just as suddenly people want answers, why, what, when, who are questions that are expected to be immediately explained by scientists.
If you only understood the processes, trials, tests and time limits that are required to be undertaken just to get the basics of understanding a new virus that happens well before the process of trialing vaccines can start you may have thought of something better to write.
The so called non-scientific expert politicians, magistrates, journalists, random people and even some uninformed doctors made up rubbish and completely out number the real scientific experts who are usually the most qualified spokes people for the country and considering these scientists have little to go on and do not know exactly what this virus does they have given advice purely from virus experiences or what little has been discovered about the new virus so far. And even though the information may not be totally accurate the scientific method is to update results with new knowledge and information as it comes to date.
Intolerance and disrespect of science especially from the politicians, and leaders of the people are showing their irrational stupidity, and they ought to know better.
All those groups on the “black lives matter” demonstrations and demolitions have left and right political agendas for a fact, but if these idiots only gave some responsible thought about vulnerable people regarding the virus and the countries economy, the damage to their own people and were educated in the historical facts and learning that shaped their own country they may not have destroyed businesses and torn down monuments and statues.
“Yes, they are ALL (scientists, journalists, and public servants) masquerading and have reason to lie about their work!”
I can see you have nothing good to say about many groups of people and I think you are influenced by politically inspired conspiracy merchants. Please do not go out like the millions of Americans have just done to buy a gun, that is a recipe for igniting conflict.
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Sklyjd said- “Very true and religions have people who are arguably the real professionals at the hoax business.’’ On that we agree. Religious leaders are as equally susceptible to the lure of deceit. I hoed you would pick up on that. Unfortunately, A vital relationship involves perpetual two-way communication between consenting parties. The problem with mere religion apart from such actual relationship is it only provides methodology consistent with a specific dogma. The source of which may be quite nefarious, and too often adhered to as true without sufficient scientific research. I do not advocate following such false doctrines. Neither do I accept half-baked theories introduced as completed scientific results from untrustworthy scientists.
You also said, “If you only understood the processes” (I certainly do), which is why I fully concur with your statement – “The so called non-scientific expert politicians, magistrates, journalists, random people and even some uninformed doctors made up rubbish and completely out number the real scientific experts who are usually the most qualified spokes people for the country and considering these scientists have little to go on and do not know exactly what this virus does they have given advice purely from virus experiences or what little has been discovered about the new virus so far.” That is my point to you!
You’re so incredibly myopic that you cannot see that ALL forms of legitimate scientific research are equally valid regardless of the field of study, when conscientiously applied. In then name of true science, you must appreciate ALL – NOT just the science that supports your preferred ideology! BTW – I too “think you are influenced by politically inspired conspiracy merchants” – some of them ‘scientists’.
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I agree to a point whereas some drug companies, mining and oil companies including others use qualified individual scientists who put their reputations to the sword with contrary claims solely to suit a desired scientific outcome for the benefits of increasing wealth, that much has been obvious for years. It was highlighted during the many “smoking causes cancer” debates and includes current situations such as coal mining companies using scientists to lie about the effect of fossil fuels on global temperature changes. This is not legitimate scientific knowledge.
Legitimate scientific research is valid only if it is peer reviewed and published, but of course as I have said before science is not fixed it is flexible, it changes and adjusts with the constant supply of new information from unlimited investigation and testing without always knowing where it will go.
I do not appreciate the peer reviews done within a particular ideology to fit a desired outcome, such as the limits and boundaries of static traditional doctrines as Christianity has or any other specific beliefs. This is not legitimate scientific research.
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SKLYJD said – “I do not appreciate the peer reviews done within a particular ideology to fit a desired outcome, such as the limits and boundaries of static traditional doctrines as Christianity has or any other specific beliefs.”
You continue to refuse to comment on the OTHER many related fields of scientific research included in the vast library of scientific journals scrutinized by professional peer review available at the LINK provided! You’re stuck on “Christian dogmas”. Without grasping the relation between them ALL, you’ve only investigated the limits and boundaries of YOUR static ideology!
That is exactly the preconceived perspective that has limited you to your myopic phenomenological realm. Your bias against God has prevented any expansion of your tiny universe. Content to remain within your self-imposed box of limited knowledge, you’ve forsaken the opportunity to add unequaled exhilaration and further enlightenment, when instead, they come from a lack of adequate scientific research!
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Well said, IB, and entertaining, too! The hallucination argument has been debunked many, many times for the last 100 years! Only a person who is ignorant of the arguments for Christ would even consider this one. Besides, it’s not even believable. To say that 500 people could have a collective hallucination, at various times over a 40 day period, is not a reasonable conclusion one would ever come to. Most clinical psychologists would say it’s an impossibility.
This is just one of the many dismissals from people who have no desire whatsoever to know the truth about it.
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MJ The fields of scientific research you mention are stuck on Christian dogma. The indisputable fact is that science is not about justifying ideological beliefs.
Your claim “That is exactly the preconceived perspective that has limited you to your myopic phenomenological realm.” The preconceived perspective is not how science works, it is religiously indoctrinated thinking, this meaning fits your thinking just perfectly.
Preconceived (of an idea or opinion) formed before having the evidence for its truth or usefulness.
“the same set of facts can be tailored to fit any preconceived belief”
(Google)
Science provides evidence and facts as it builds towards the truth, therefore if the link you provided had involved real scientific evidence that could be tested and indicated a creator was a real possibility they would have papers included within the mainstream scientific publications.
You also claim “Your bias against God has prevented any expansion of your tiny universe.” This is so much nonsense “the pot calling the kettle black,” you cannot get away with this rhetorical BS, we atheists are not that stupid. And as I have a disbelief in all gods how can I have a bias against your non-existent God?
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