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Language is so woefully inadequate. I often find myself wondering why we haven’t invented something better. Music, painting, art, perhaps? It doesn’t matter, when we are trying to speak of God, everything is going to be woefully inadequate. Also, some things must be subjectively received and spiritually discerned.
That said however, words do mean something. You can get yourself into a great deal of trouble in faith by putting your faith in a word or the complete misunderstanding of a word.
So many people have walked away from faith over one misused word. That breaks my heart, that presses on me. I can’t say it often enough, spiritual things must be spiritually discerned. Sometimes people are just plain wrong and sometimes we just hear what we want to hear.
I’m picking on John Piper today because he is notorious for making word salad and an easy target. So this tweet over here is a good example.
John 16: says, “All this I have told you so that you will not fall away.” Some versions say, “so you don’t fall into doubt and confusion.” Those are much better translations that more accurately reflect the heart and intent of those passages. We are being told this so we don’t “fall into doubt and confusion.” To “fall away” in modern Christiannese means to backslide or lose your salvation.
Piper has only contributed to the confusion and tossed the word salad even more by talking about how that passage means “imperil our perseverance.”
I don’t know what is worst, that half his Twitter feed is filled with people who think he is suggesting we are saved by our own works and behavior alone and if we don’t get it right we’ll be thrown out, or that half his feed is filled with people quite delighted to proclaim that false notion and grateful to have some theologian affirm it for them. If your own efforts fail you and you neglect the words of Jesus you will loose your salvation and fall away.
Ai yi yi.
What is unanimous here, is that nearly everyone commenting agrees on and believes in, “fall away” and to “imperil your perseverance” means to loose your salvation. So the vast majority, a good hunk of Piper’s comments clearly indicate that a lot of people want to believe our salvation is directly connected to our own efforts, our own works.
I’ve read enough of Piper’s word salads, like I’ve read enough of children’s poorly written notes on the fridge, to now be able to now accurately read things that are not even there and fill in the blanks. Yeah, clearly that is not what Piper is trying to say at all. In fact, he actually believes the precise opposite, we are justified by Christ alone. It is His grace that keeps us in His hand.
We can totally “imperil our perseverance,” in Christ. You can do things the hard way or the easy way. But regardless, God’s not standing by just waiting to kick you out because you didn’t persevere. John 16:1 is actually offering support and comfort, words so you do not “fall into doubt and confusion.” Why? Because God loves us! Because falling into doubt and confusion is scary, uncomfortable and uneccessary.
It is NOT a passage about condemnation and losing your salvation. I honestly don’t believe Piper intended it to sound that way, either. But he did it make it sound that way with his word salad and he did not correct anybody who falsely affirmed just that….
It is so important that you read the Bible YOURSELF, talk to God YOUSELF, pray YOURSELF, check out the meaning of things yourself, and learn to think for yourself.
Yes we should read the Bible YOURSELF, talk to God YOUSELF, pray YOURSELF, check out the meaning of things yourself, and learn to think for yourself.
Couldnt agree more
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Amen. We’re in agreement. 🙂
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Yes, amen. IB. People have to start thinking for themselves learning from Jesus firsthand. As you bring out here, this tweet is incoherent, furthered by conflicting with Piper’s own beliefs!
But it is ironic. His statement has created doubt and confusion! LOL!
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In most cases, John Piper is careful to quote Scripture and uses the ESV, ““I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away.” You are correct, we should read your ourselves…read in context and let the Bible itself be the best commentary we own. Not saying we cannot to use other sources but we should not accept anything that conflicts with God has written in His Word. You are correct what others are saying is in conflict with Piper’s own beliefs. Thanks
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An interesting point: when Jesus said the things recorded in John’s 16th chapter, He was speaking of His passion and death (soon to bring them grief) and “then in a little while”, His glorious resurrection. None of His followers at that time were “saved”; His plan of salvation had not yet been completed. “Falling away” cannot reference salvation in this passage.
Jesus further warned that due to His death, they ALL would be scattered. During such chaos, they needed to heed His counsel regarding their momentary turmoil. His promise that His absence would actually be for their ever-increasing benefit was the faith they were to hold fast. They were not being deserted, but they would receive further hope and instruction from an even better ‘manifestation’ of God – the Spirit of Truth, the “Advocate”. “I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever” – Jn. 14:16.
For additional insight into the assurance of an even BETTER relationship with God through the Spirit consider reading the following Articles: “Eternal Security” @ https://wp.me/p4H39f-22 and “Biblical Salvation” @ https://wp.me/p4H39f-b. Spoiler alert! Neither Article endorses a distinct doctrine of any ecclesiastic organization. They attempt to reveal the flaws of some and the proper interpretation gleaned from research on ALL. Trust the “Advocate” to lead you into truth.
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Thanks, MJ! Those are all really great points. It is so strange how we can take something in scripture intended to lead us in one direction, flip it around and think it means the precise opposite! Uncanny, a bit spooky, even!
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He didn’t think that through very well did he? Glad you wrote this.
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Thanks, Wally. Glad to hear from you. ☺
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Nice to see you too IB!
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Words are woefully inadequate to talk about God, but that’s not the problem with that quote. It was just poorly stated. It’s unfortunate but not surprising, that so many read in it the threat of salvation loss. 😞
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