I really enjoyed this little thought provoking meme, so I simply stole it. Stealing is a sin in case anyone wondered, but I actually say that a bit tongue and cheek, with all good humor. Memes kind of exist in this grey area and get passed around so much, it’s nearly impossible to find out were they originated. “Stealing memes,” is kind of the whole point of memes.
So “lying fer Jesus” has been a theme among atheists over at Mel’s place, and others too, almost like the anti theists got up early and got their daily talking points from the mothership.
So the accusation is that everyone is lying, that anybody can just start an orphanage, feed the hungry, lay down their very lives for their brothers, and concoct a good conversion story. No Jesus required.
Ha! Well I dare you to try it. I double dare you! Please do! Set aside all pride, envy, chaos, confusion, and just go forth and love your neighbor. Like, amen! Feel free to forgive your enemies, to place others before yourself, and to stop sinning. (Of course without some kind of moral standard and some Divine wisdom, it’s very hard to even define “sin” in the first place.)
In a totally secular, evolutionary context, loving others really makes no sense. It is totally contrary to survival, unless you’re getting something out of the deal. It makes sense not to bash the hand that feeds you, but on the other hand should the opportunity arise, it makes far more sense to just bash them over the head and steal all their stuff. Concepts like love, duty, honor, loyalty, sacrifice just don’t fit well in the context of survival of the fittest.
That’s the cultural narrative, the larger picture. I mean “the golden rule” has been around for thousands of years and yet in spite of our best efforts, we still don’t seem to be living it. We still have wars, people starving in the world, huge income disparities, power tripping, theft, warlords. Like, somebody has sure dropped the golden rule ball here…..
But on a smaller, more personal level, “just stop sinning” is tragically comical in it’s sheer futility. We people do have freewill and yet so frequently we use our will to chose bad things, addiction, destruction, revenge, self abuse, broken relationships, greed, porn, power. We replay childhood scripts, we indulge in great offense, we seek retribution, revenge, rebellion.
I’m one of those pragmatic people so like, if every time you bang your head on the wall it hurts, just stop banging your head on the wall. Easy peasy! I say that knowing perfectly well, I sure don’t. I do not get up in the morning, pray, eat 3 cups of carrots, go jogging, and spend the rest of the day serving others. I like biscuits and gravy, cheesecake, and if you ever see me running, somebody is chasing me.
Those are my more amusing struggles. I mean, cheesecake is not necessarily “sin,” it is just one of those things that is not really very good for us, like whiskey, cigars, and chocolate, and yet we sure wantz them.
Most of the people I know are actually involved in sin as self abuse, almost compulsively, like it’s an odd quirk, an ingrained part of human nature. Like, if we can’t even manage to love ourselves properly, we’re going to really struggle to love others as they need to be loved, too.
Romans 7:14 to 20 addresses this matter, “I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. And if I do what I do not want to do, I agree that the law is good. As it is, it is no longer I myself who do it, but it is sin living in me. For I know that good itself does not dwell in me, that is, in my sinful nature. For I have the desire to do what is good, but I cannot carry it out. For I do not do the good I want to do, but the evil I do not want to do—this I keep on doing. Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it.”
In the absence of Jesus Christ, in the absence of grace, in the absence of metanoia, of transformation, that is simply where we live, in that place of “I do not understand what I do.” And even with Jesus Christ, we are often still works in progress. Sometimes He heals us instantly and sometimes He leaves us to wrestle with things. Sometimes we’re going along good, we got it all figured out…..and then we forget where we even put it. It’s a process, people are somewhat fluid in how we grow.
But leave Jesus out of the equation and without fail, as a culture,as individuals, we simply spiral downwards….
So, most Christians are not “lying fer Jesus, ” we are being brutally honest, we are testifying to the truth of who we are, and the truth of who He is. We are testifying to what He has done in our lives, Who He really is, and why it all matters. I suppose there is corruption everywhere, but for the most part nobody actually gets a commission or a prize for spreading the good news. Like, in order to be lying there must be a purpose, a motivation, an intent, and also probably a secret organization. For Christianity to be part of some 2000 yr old conspiracy theory, you’re going to need the Bilderbergers and Iluminati working together in a coordinated manner. I’m pretty sure those two groups don’t even like one another.
Jesus Christ saves, He transforms, He fixes everything, and the truthful testimonies of so many over thousands of years, really matters. It is actually “sin” to falsely accuse good people of lying, to attempt to shame and silence them, and to assign hostile intentions and false motivations to things and to people that you don’t really understand.

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If I am found running too it will bacuse I am chased🤣🤣🤣
Beautiful post to read and I relate to most of what you wrote.😀 more posts like this please
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Yes. It doesn’t matter WHAT a post is about, the comments are the same. Most of them have to do with the Christian level of stupid.
That is a true statement. They certainly can. But the question is, do they? I have said this and will say it again. When Houston was under water, every sign on a kitchen was from a church. NOT one was from an atheist group. Not. One. So apparently they are capable of extending boots on the ground but choose not to. They have important things to do, such as shouting at Christians.
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In a totally secular, evolutionary context, loving others really makes no sense. It is totally contrary to survival, unless you’re getting something out of the deal.
Rubbish. Like other communal animals, we survived, and thrived, BECAUSE of our ability to bond with others, to share goals, to work together, and to protect the other so as to strengthen the clan/town/city/nation state. It’s the core REASON for our survival.
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Sorry John you are completely in error.
In the context of a godless world view that makes no distinction between man an jackal, there is no room for ‘love’ at the dining table of the beast.
If you disagree and assert that man is different from coyote, then do feel free to defend an untenable position, because evolution has failed you through and through.
Don’t think so? Perhaps it will take a few more million years until men get the memo to not steal, kill, or destroy.
Plain and simple, you have NO argument.
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Per your statement some predatory apes figured out how to gang up on and kill other predatory apes. This only confirms the thesis.
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Yes, you said “apes,” plural. Exactly.
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Let’s put it like this …
As evolution is fact, and there is more than enough evidence to show this, what could possibly be your excuse for denying this fact?
a) You are so indoctrinated you are in obvious need of some form of psychological help.
b) You are lying.
Which one are you, IB?
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Ark would probably just have me institutionalized, “deprogrammed,” and quite possibly incarcerated for “lying,” based on nothing more then the fact that he finds my love for the Lord personally offensive.
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Oh look folks, did u get an email telling u to ‘help out’ thegofless cause…
Now then, let’s see how we can engage common sense, ( something that seems missing in action from the mind of an atheist. )
Sooo, blood, water, bones, gold, flesh, clouds, rainbows, stars, whales, eagles, men, women, are all accidental and purposeless?
Remember, atheism proves that life is purposeless. So I wonder who is OVERTLY AND WILLINGLY WITH FULL INTENTION OF LIES….
Hint hint: it’s they who say there is no God. (By the way, I hope your friends see your veneered hypocrisy as you are welcome to comment on believers sites, while you butcher the harmlessstatements of believers)
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If you define evolution as “species change over time” then it is a fact. The problem is what drives evolution.
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What’s the problem?
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“The problem is what drives evolution.”
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Yes, what’s the problem…
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He is using the word “drive” to mean “causes”.
What makes evolution happen?
What causes evolution to occur?
What sustains the process of evolution?
Pretending you don’t understand is Lyin fer Evolution.
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Matter organises itself. It cannot help but organise itself, and for a finite-sized system to persist in time (to live) it must evolve in such a way that it provides easier access to the currents that flow through it.
Where’s the problem?
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The same problem.
You haven’t addressed it.
Look up a little thing called “entropy”.
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Look up a thing called the 1) sun (delivering 438,000 watt-hours of free energy per square foot to the earth every year), and 2) plant/animal food stuffs
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Fascinating! You have fulfilled your purpose.
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….so, what’s the problem?
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LOL!
The problem is you don’t understand entropy.
To be clear, this is YOUR problem, not mine (or DP’s).
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Looks like you don’t understand the sun, eating, and homeostasis.
So, let’s save you any mo0re embarrassment: there is no “problem,” you just wanted to run your mouth.
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You have fulfilled your purpose. Congrats!
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The problem is: when do fins become feet? And during the long evolutionary process, the evolving fins, slowly becoming feet, still, lose their ability of being top-shelf fins – being able to secure a meal, or swim away from becoming one. That raises a related issue. Finding a top-shelf mate – what if LeahAnna isn’t impressed with Larry’s fins?
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According to Zande, “matter organizes itself”.
That should clear up your silly question about feet and fins.
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Yes, matter organises itself. If you’re having trouble grasping this then here’s a little experiment you can do:
Take a bottle of water, oil, and sand. Shake it up, and then watch. Organisation. And when something becomes sufficiently organised (sufficiently complex) it takes on the appearance of what we call a living thing. All that is, though, is just a dance of things like lipid metabolism, nucleotide and protein metabolism, carbohydrate metabolism, amino acid metabolism, citric acid cycle, fatty acid synthesis and elongation, and Beta oxidisation all mindlessly working off each other. And yes, working against entropy.
There is no ‘divine spark.’ 438,000 watt-hours of free energy per square foot fall on the earth every year, and this energy drives cellular mechanisms. All life on earth is powered by chemiosmosis, where the rechargeable chemical battery for life, adenosine triphosphate (ATP), is first broken down and then re-formed during respiration to release energy used to drive every living reaction.
As the strikingly impressive 19th Century historian and philosopher, John Fiske, so prudently observed:
Any other questions?
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Wow! I hope Sue is still reading!
How long do you have to shake a bottle of oil and water before it turns into feet?
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You’re welcome.
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If a billions monkeys shook a billion bottles of oil and water for a billion years, would that produce John Zande?
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Bertrand Russell famously said, “If I were to suggest that between the Earth and Mars there is a bottle of oil and water containing John Zande revolving about the sun in an elliptical orbit, nobody would be able to disprove my assertion provided I were careful to add that the Sun produces energy and living things eat stuff.”
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Oooppps, somebody DARED to question the reality of the evolutionists’ god.
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Larry just always seems to believe his half formed defective looking fin feet are some kind of weird female attraction signal. Go figure…..:)
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Laughing out loud on the bus😃
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Lying for Jesus is better than lying for no reason at all.
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LOL! Hmmm, yes, I think so! Good philosophical question. The bible does say, “God forbid: yea, let God be found true, but every man a liar; as it is written,That thou mightest be justified in thy words, And mightest prevail when thou comest into judgment.”
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In the context msb of the atheists gripes that believers ‘Lie’ regarding evo, science, and the reliability and accuracy of scripture, there is no need to supply the enemy with bullets only to be used against us.
There is no need to ‘lie’ as if we can compare ourselves to God’s truthfulness. But our yes should be yes, and our no, no.
As to philosophy, let the dead bury their dead so to speak. Ours is more sure word, and one that is heads and shoulders above every opinion of philosophy.
God’s word is not a trifling book of opinions. 🤗
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Ha! Your words about ammo brought to mind being a clay pot shot full of holes…..and yet still miraculously holding water. God’s word is true, so true we need not be concerned about the ammo.
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Oh and btw, great post, especially @ orphanages, hunger, etc. Yeah, go do that ye loud mouths who btcih about everything, as you will find generally good hearts there.
Then there are nursing homes, where is revealed what we truly think of the elderly. God’s people go about their business, quietly, without notice, but what an important work.
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Lol I like that meme. It’s definitely thought provoking. Why can’t we stop sinning? Gets you to think. Also reminds you that we can’t depend on ourselves because without God we’re slaves to sin. We’re ultimately slaves to someone but we have the choice to elect who; Christ or the devil.
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Nailed it IB! FYI, I used that same passage yesterday for the sermon (check out how The Message translation forms it). Could God be trying to tell us something??? Blessings IB!
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Ha! Thanks Pastor Randy. I’ve never read the Message version of that passage,but this part is very good,”So if I can’t be trusted to figure out what is best for myself and then do it, it becomes obvious that God’s command is necessary.” That’s the truth! Sometimes I can’t even figure out what is best and so I have to turn to the Lord for some wisdom and guidance. He hasn’t let me down yet. 🙂
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“In a totally secular, evolutionary context, loving others really makes no sense. It is totally contrary to survival, unless you’re getting something out of the deal. It makes sense not to bash the hand that feeds you, but on the other hand should the opportunity arise, it makes far more sense to just bash them over the head and steal all their stuff. Concepts like love, duty, honor, loyalty, sacrifice just don’t fit well in the context of survival of the fittest.”
You pride yourself as being much better than the secularist who you consider inferior to Christian people, and as you are obviously the expert is this based on Christian creationist banana science? This is really so much brainwashed Babble.
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You pride yourself as being much better than theists who you consider inferior to secular people and as you are obviously the expert is this based on anti-Christian, atheistic emotionalism?
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Larry and his evolving fin-feet…he’s such a klutz. He evidently stepped on Mr.Branyan’s toes. Please excuse Larry, he’s had a rough day – you see, he found a really nice bit of territory…wasn’t even a half hour, and he was run off by a fish with very aqua-dynamic fins. Poor Larry ;(
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Forget Larry, i am the klutz. I meant my last post for Mr. Zande.
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This is profound and written so well.
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