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First off let me say, I totally support a bit of mystery between the sexes. What’s more fun then that? Husbands and wives, brothers and sisters, even just friends, are allowed to have their secrets, their privacy, their space.
Also, a big part of romance is the intrigue, discovery, mystery, surprise. Men and women are different, we cultivate those differences for a reason. Part of the fun is discovering one another. To add to the delight of the design, we people are always changing. It can be a very negative thing to say, “my spouse is not the same person I married,” OR it can actually be a delightful new experience, a whole set of yet unknown mysteries to now unwrap and discover. You can simply fall in love all over again.
A big part of life is about our choices and our attitude. I sometimes joke about how you have a choice when your spouse seems to be a different person, not who you married. You can feel sorry for yourself, blame them, or you can simply say, Praise the Lord! He has handed me a totally new person to a have an affair with and I’m already married to them! That is somewhat funny, but hey, perspective matters.
In the modern world people are often having affairs, looking for something new, getting divorced, and yet when our spouse seems to change into someone new, we simply flee? What’s with that? Our attitudes will literally begin to shape our reality, so perspective becomes very important here. Our perspective is often all wrong.
I’ve been reading Aimee Byrd’s book, “Why Can’t we Be Friends,” and feeling a bit down about it, not about the book itself, but about some of the opposition and criticism, mostly coming from some pastors. First let me say, Sam Powell is a pastor, a rather reformed one, and he seemed to really appreciate the book and the theology Aimee draws on, so all is well with my world.
It is just that I am sad for many men and for what I can only describe as some self-inflicted misandry. Man loathing, by men, literally. Somebody smart coined the word intimacy as, “into me see.” Well, if you fear being seen, known, and accepted for who you are, scratch all chances for intimacy. Everyone needs relationship, connection, intimacy. I suspect women are much better at it by nature, and much less happy if we can’t find it. Just the same, a desire for intimacy is a vital part of human nature, a vital need even, and so it makes me sad to read what some of these guys are saying, in what looks a whole lot like self sabotage, disguised as so-called manliness, or even worse, sometimes disguised as gospel.
So the thinking goes something like this, women have no idea what goes on in men’s minds and if we did we would abandon them in a minute. We live in a culture that lies to women because women can’t handle the truth. Women totally want to be lied to because if we had the slightest idea what men were really like, we’d probably just annilate them all. Or find them unnattractive. Or reject them.
Right. Like women don’t grow up play acting all our future relationships, and eventually begin studying men rather extensively? Also, I often want to say, where in the heck is this Easy Street you speak of, this place where I am allegedly sheltered from the truth about the total depravity of mankind?? Like, lie to me already, that would be quite lovely, but I’m afraid it’s much too late for deception.
I really dislike this narrative that seems to suggest men are all these vile, sexual wildebeests who have no self control, while women are all sheltered, and pure as the driven snow. Naive. Unaware of what men are “really like.” Heaven forbid men ever show any weakness, or any vulnerability either, because obviously women will flee and simply find themselves a less defective model.
That actually really tears at my heart strings. It’s annoying as all get go to wade through this stuff, but lurking beneath it is this real cry for help, this sadness. Rejection, fear, self loathing. Condemnation. Shame.
Something that struck me in the midst of reading all this nonsense, nevermind about whether or not men and women can be friends, these narratives are actually destroying our marriages, where we are supposed to be friends! Women especially need to feel loved, cared for, and they need an intimate connection. An intimate connection requires men to be strong enough, to actually be slightly vulnerable. I don’t wish to frighten anyone, so I said, “slightly vulnerable.” Nobody’s suggesting men must be all emotional and touchy feely here, but if you can’t give something of yourself emotionally, how in the world can there even be any intimacy in a marriage?
And so the number one reason for divorce today actually amounts to women feeling emotionally abandoned. That’s what surveys say. There’s no emotional and spiritual intimacy. That’s what women always read as, no love and certainly no respect for women, since our needs apparently don’t matter in the equation.
But that’s not really it at all, it seems as if there is this epic failure coming from some parts of “the church,” this shaming of men that serves to try to create sexual distance between men and women, and instead just creates confusion and emotional separation. Men must repress who they are, shut down emotionally, and never go soft or weak, or in any way let on that you are an actual, you know, a person, a potential friend.
I’ve coined this concept “predators and prey,” oddly an idea first coined by feminism. Men are all predators. Women are all prey. Toxic masculinity for men, perpetual victimhood for women. Except we are not simple creatures of biology, and that is so reductionist, just an extreme example of stinking thinking gone all awry, that completely leaves out the part about us actually being, spiritual beings having freewill.
So some of the language being used to describe the alleged problem of sexual tension that prevents all men everywhere from ever being friends with any woman anywhere, was very revealing, “a powder keg, a loaded gun, a potential explosion.” Good grief! We’re teaching people that relationships between men and women are like potential mass murder, unstable nitroglycerin, sure to lead to accidental death? That is just rampant hyperbole and fear.
This concept of predators and prey is also not biblical at all because in Jesus Christ we are a new creation. If your thinking is stinking, then you need to change it. We are supposed to be engaged in the process of renewing our minds. Aren’t we supposed to be, “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ.”
We are. It says so.
So I’m a big fan of boundaries, of being honest with oneself, of being honest with God. I think Aimee is too, and I think she understands the need for sexual boundaries between men and women. I think what she is really talking about is not so much literal relationships, but “why can’t we be friends,” meaning emotional and spiritual friends, where men and women do not perceive one another as “predators and prey” but rather as brothers and sisters in Christ, kind of just like the bible tells us to do.
That happens to also be very healthy for men.

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Drama, drama drama. It really can be full of drama 😂😂😂😂
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LOL! I am just a no drama mama. I ain’t got no time for drama. 🙂
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Exactly, my point…. & my friend will say; Jennifer, you’re just too blunt 😂
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While I rather admire how you write, it doesn’t always mean I agree with what you write. In this case.. for me you are pretty much right on the money here. Nicely stated. I do not sign on to the idea of “being friends” in a marriage. No question some couples can achieve that, if that’s their value-set in their arrangement. Personally… I value friendships way too much to relegate that concept “down” to a marriage level. For one thing, few people live with their friends 24/7; friends allow for personal space of the other… and friends generally do not toss shared intimacy back at you in the heat of some argument. Friends exist to help each other because of their similarities, whether they are helping you move a couch or sharing a kleenex in time of emotional need. Spouses do that as well.. but because of the nature of marriage itself, nothing is “unconditional”; friends can be like pets… they will generally be there for you in unconditional ways. Also… a divorce is generally final… a friendship generally lasts forever.
If woman want men to share some “inner self” kinda thing… well… that’s all romantic nice-nice when everyone is huggy-kissy at the start. But is she going to bring something up regarding what you shared during some heated argument (especially when what you shared has nothing in relation to said argument)? Oh dear.. do I sound damaged or what; such a cynic I’ve become. That’s a betrayal of trust (but it certainly doesn’t rank up there in trust betrayals men do toward women, I know).
And we’ve not even touched on female sexual power; in marriage all sex is negotiable. Back in another life when I had a sex discussion website (no, not porn) this was a common theme from males… “Oh.. you want me to do THAT? What about what I want.. like you taking out the trash once a week and helping out around here!”
Uh-huh. 🙂
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I appreciate your comment, Doug. But you’ve really captured the nature of the problem with this one sentence, “Personally… I value friendships way too much to relegate that concept “down” to a marriage level.”
I’m not saying you are wrong, it just that perceiving marriage as a step “down” from loyalty, trust, friendship, love, is kind of sad. No wonder we have so many marital issues in this country. I don’t think people can ever achieve genuine unconditional love, but can do sacrificial love. We love one another sacrificially in marriage, and in friendships too.
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I anticipated you might be drawn to that sentence. I said that as more a tongue-in-cheek to illustrate perspective. I agree with you.. it is sad. But I might contend it’s because we spend our entire lives trying to define “love”, so it’s no surprise at all getting married under the idea of love is such a crap-shoot given love itself can be defined so widely. Oddly, nature does not require humans to be in a committed relationship just to procreate the species… although it is instinctive for the male to want to stay inside a family unit that he helped create, thus assuring survivability of the species; although that’s not 100%.
You mentioned “sacrifice”. As I’ve grown older (but not necessarily wiser) I’ve come to realize for myself the problems that “guilt” and “sacrifice” has bestowed upon the world. I think love, however defined, should not require sacrifice at all. Sacrifice suggests giving up something one holds important. I mean… makes no sense going into a marriage with that concept buzzing around in one’s head; marriage is a sacrifice. Yeah.. we all joke about it.. and oddly, it’s always the guy presumably making a sacrifice to marry in giving up his tawdry and mismanaged and devil-may-care bachelor lifestyle, spreading his seed upon the world with reckless abandon. The woman is “made” for marriage… being virginal… and then having kids.
A complex relationship to be sure.
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I know your comment was a bit tongue in cheek, an exaggeration, and I don’t mean to use you as an example, but how is it we have Christians in the world that seem unable to understand the nature of sacrificial love??! I’m not blaming you or other individuals, I actually see that as a failure of “the church” or which I am a part. The whole message of the gospel centers around sacrificial love. Our biblical instructions on marriage all revolve around the idea of sacrificial love. “Husbands love your wives, as Christ loved the church.”
That devil may care bachelor trapped in marriage to a virginal wife is a cultural message, not a Christian one, although clearly it has been promoted and mistaught, by the church.
Life experiences, cynicism, bitterness, don’t help. I’m not trying to be condemning here, a big part of my frustration in this post actually stems from reading the words of some pastors promoting that very same cynicism,and seeming to miss the whole concept of sacrificial love and being brothers and sisters in Christ.
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Yet is not “sacrificial love” a bit of an oxymoron? Why does the path to love require sacrifice? That’s all rhetorical, btw.
The idea that women are “supposed” to look good? That stems directly to the concept that they need to attract a man for procreation, and keep a man for obtaining food and protection, while she rears the children. (Hey.. I don’t make the rules here.. so don’t get re-fills on those tomatoes.)
Now.. if you want to object to that role, burn your bra, whatever.. fine with me. But there’s an evolutionary reason #MeToo is so popular.
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Oh.. meant to add… you said…
“Life experiences, cynicism, bitterness, don’t help.”
But that’s all we have as humans… life experiences followed by conclusions that may run the gamut of happiness to cynicism to sadness.. to anger. I just read another poster in here has been married 37 years and all is swell. I was married 35 years when I divorced. My current SO was married 30+ years until she divorced. Obviously in our respective cases we chose not to surrender to marital “inertia” as the only incentive to carry it through till the “death do us part” thing. Humans have bitter-sweet, or down right bitter, experiences.
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I know this is a VERY unpopular position, but I can’t help but wonder if we women persist in looking like sex objects and acting like sex objects, we shouldn’t expect men to treat us as emotional and spiritual friends.
OK, Ill start dodging the tomatoes now.
Becky
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Ha! Right? The best way to “be friends,” is to first, “be a friend.” Obviously if we are trying to hold our sexual power over men, that is not friendship,it is a form of exploitation and sexual confusion, so I’m with you there.
That said however, women are supposed to feel good and look good, there’s some glory innate to being female, and that too has been really shamed and perverted in our broken world.
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Not having had experience with prostitutes (although I can make the obligatory “paying for sex in other ways” jokes), I am of the understanding that a fair number of encounters hookers have with paying males is not JUST for sex.
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Do you mean prostitutes have often taken note of the fact that what many men truly desire is to be seen, known, admired, respected? Some actually desire conversation and dare I say it, intimacy and companionship?
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Well, what’s the most common cliche line men are attributed to say when hitting on another woman? “My wife doesn’t understand me.”
Look, before we get too carried away with gender role debates here.. I’m not defending one action over another but rather suggesting that defining love.. and friendship love… and even spiritual love… is all different motivations and sensitivities entirely and to assume it’s somehow all related is just not true… and that in itself seems to be a lot of the problem.. we tend to want to shove a round peg into a square hole.
(Oh jeez… ha. Just saw what I wrote.)
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Ha! No pegs allowed.
I think one problem is that we try to compartmentalize “love” too much. So sex has become something separate from love, friendship is something separate from sex, brotherly and sisterly love must never be sexual, and so it goes down the line, “love” being placed in all these boxes. But love is just love and it is always sacrificial. If it doesn’t have an element of sacrifice, of setting your own self aside, it isn’t really love at all, it’s an imposter.
One problem I do see, sometimes men are not really allowed to experience brotherly love, sisterly love, spiritual love, emotional love. The only acceptable vehicle for men to “love” becomes a sexual one. So “I’m lonely, I need intimacy and affection” can easily become, “I need prostitutes and porn.” As much as society may frown on such things, I think we frown on men admitting any weakness or having a desire or need for intimacy even more. So sex becomes the only love language men are allowed to speak.
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I would agree that can be the case in many men (not me, of course) 😛
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Doug, I was most definitely not talking about prostitutes. I’m talking about women in 21st century America.
Becky
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Rebecca.. I was simply observing that what we might perceive as the ultimate in cheap and shallow, physical attributes-only relationships, prostitution is sometimes not just about sex alone, but also catering to the emotional.. in a shallow way, of course. I was responding to your thought that if women persist in the emphasis in physical appearance that it’s no wonder men don’t share of their own feelings with them. I was implying, men will share no matter how you dress up appearance… or not.
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“It can be a very negative thing to say, “my spouse is not the same person I married,” OR it can actually be a delightful new experience, a whole set of yet unknown mysteries to now unwrap and discover. You can simply fall in love all over again.”
LOL! I laughed so hard when I read this. My wife would say, “Thank God!” Yes, I’m not the same immature, self-indulged, emotionally disconnected, cynical nitwit that my wife married! The man she thought she married was an ILLUSION (God’s grace there!). But God is patient and gracious and allows us to see this about ourselves, if we will let Him, and He help us to go beyond the illusion of “looove” to truly becoming a man and wife who are learning how to love. In my case, after 37 years of trial and error. 🙂
And, yes, I agree. It’s a mysterious adventure where we get to unwrap and discover one another. Well said.
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Ha! I totally embarrassed my daughters the other day by trying to explain that their dad is so much more attractive and charming today then he used to be. I think it was the poor analogy about how green fruit tends to get ripe and juicy over time, that really pushed them over the edge. 🙂
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When my three (girl in the middle) would be quarreling loudly as teens I would quickly put a stop to it when I’d call their mother into the room and ask her if we should share with our loving children how they were conceived. That usually cleared the room and shut them up.
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LOL!
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“Nobody’s suggesting men must be all emotional and touchy feely here, but if you can’t give something of yourself emotionally, how in the world can there even be any intimacy in a marriage?”
Exactly. I think we must make a distinction between men being vulnerable and men being vulnerable in the way women might be vulnerable. Jesus was and is both vulnerable and strong at the same time. We men in our vulnerability should be willing to show our weakness but also willing to show our deep passion and strength as well, something that is rarely modeled.
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I really appreciate your words, dpatrick. “Deep passion and strength,” is a great description of what is really wonderful about men.
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Thank you so much for this! We are to be new in Christ and be mutually drawn together, not pray and predator. I love this!
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