So Aimee Byrd has written a book called, “Why Can’t We be Friends.” You can also find it on Amazon. The subtitle is, “avoidance is not purity.” She is discussing relationships between men and women, the so-called ‘Pence rule,’ churchian culture, and the #churchtoo, #metoo movements. Her views are very close to mine, yes indeed, we can be friends, in fact, men and women really need to unite as brothers and sisters in Christ. That is actually pretty radical, sure to change culture, and I like it. Our strength is in our unity.
I also beleive it’s biblical.
I’m quite pleased she wrote this book because I think it’s a discussion we really need to be having. Also, I haven’t quite finished it on account of…multiple trigger alerts, and a slight deviation off to read all her critics, critics who just make me go, “Ewww. Listen up Bro, I don’t even WANT to be friends with you.”
When the Pence rule came across the media, I was kind of like, Meh. Whatever. This is so not my world. This is not even my planet. I have no idea what it is like to be a politician or a celebrity. I simply imagined our VP had some enemies waiting to pounce. If I were in his shoes, I probably would not be dining with women who were not my wife either, especially in front of cameras and a hostile media.
Then I found out the “Pence rule” was actually the “Billy Graham rule,” and rather than just being a rule for famous men facing paparazzi, this actually IS Christian culture that has trickled down to the little people. That kind of changed things, that kind of made me groan. It’s one thing to be wrestling with a public relations image, but it’s a whole other thing to be pretty much a nobody perceiving ALL women as a potential sexual threat. Or yourself as a sexual wildebeest with no self-control. Or maybe you care more about image, reputation, and people favor, then you do about actual people. Regardless, I didn’t like it one bit.
To drive the knife in a bit farther, a lot of men I rather like, respect even, began talking about their fears of false accusations, fears of attacks on their reputation or integrity, their jobs and their livelihoods. While I can certainly empathize with the fear, with the sheer powerlessness of falling prey to a false allegation, it was really painful because I clearly saw how the empathy did not go both ways.
I don’t mean to sound angry here, but the guys were worried about the harm that could be done to their reputation while the women were worried about being sexually traumatized and left in shallow grave somewhere. I’m not sure if you can tell, but all things are not equal there. Women are often concerned about suffering forcible rape, enduring a lifetime of emotional, sexual, physical, spiritual, trauma, post traumatic stress, or perhaps even death. The guys were worried…..someone might talk. It might impact my job. My reputation could be harmed.
Wowsers, that was hard to hear, because there was zero concern for women’s fears, and a complete lack of awareness of the truth and reality of our lives. Also, I had this dawning awareness that women have no reputation to protect, no status to preserve, no…privilege to be concerned about loosing. We are never “an innocent man falsely accused,” we are ALL Potiphar’s wife or the cursed Eve, so unclean, so dangerous, so guilty already, all men would be wise to steer clear of us, least we set them up, dance for a king and get their head on a platter or something.
The number of references to Potiphar’s Wife actually made me feel a bit sick. Has no one in faith ever heard of the rape of Tamer? Yeah, true story, the woman couldn’t even trust her own half brother. He raped her and she simply spent the rest of her broken life, sad and alone. There is no happy ending. She was the daughter of a King and that didn’t even protect her.
I’ve actually had to take a deep breath in the mist of all this, several of them really. I’ve had to remember this is so not my world, not even my planet, and also, my world is way better, vastly superior. My world is just this crappy little speck on the map, where no one really cares about their “reputation,” where no one is obsessed with side hugs, where men and women have always worked alongside one another.
I’ve walked through some dark alleys full of men of questionable mental health, addiction, drugs, gang bangers. I’ve worked in bars, fishing boats, and hospitals. What’s always protected me, relatively, has been the honor of men. Some are pretty awful, so then you have the honor of other men who will look out for you. I’ve never had a guy go, I can’t give you a ride because you’re a woman and people might talk or you could falsely accuse me of something….
If someone ever said that to me, I think I’d just burst out laughing.
In kind of a darkly cynical way, there is actually some honor among thieves, some integrity at the bottom of the pack. That’s my world. Men and women have always been friends. We are brothers and sisters, already.
I’m going to say something that probably won’t be heard or it will be denied, but false allegations are extremely rare. Rape is not a “sexual misunderstanding” or a “communication problem.” Victims of sexual abuse are not “misinterpreting the problem.” A rape trial is far harder on a rape victim then it is on an accused rapist, even one who is found innocent.
You are not going to say the wrong thing and some woman is going to falsely accuse you of rape out of revenge, especially not if you are a nobody. There has to be some form of motivation, wealth, power, politics, some reward. Even a crazy woman with major mental health problems is unlikely to falsely accuse a bus driver or janitor. Also, there has to be some form of corroborating evidence. Cops don’t just run about taking someone’s word for something. They have to forward evidence to a prosecutor and it has to be reviewed. They have to decide if there’s enough there to back them up if they were to take it to trial.
Yes, false accusations can happen, but they are still very rare. They are extremely rare when some guy has 9 accusers coming forward over a period of 15 yrs. Like c’mon people, Occam’s razor should really start to kick in at some point….
I had to set Aimee’s book aside and take a break because the question inside me had moved from “why can’t we be friends” to why would any woman in her right mind even want to be friends with men who were so disrespectful towards women, so fear based, so self-absorbed, so incapable of seeing anyone but themselves in the equation? The question soon became, can men even empathize with women or are they just so biologically defective, they can’t even perceive women as actual people?
Harsh but true! Yeah, that’s what I was actually thinking, about men in the church. In. The. Church.
I did what I always do. I took a walk, unsupervised I might add, with some men who aren’t really so fond of “the church.” Deplorable men, even. And ironically, that’s where I found my unity, my friendship, the like-mindedness I was seeking. It was those very same men who soothed my soul, who reminded me of who I was, who affirmed the truth of Aimee’s book, that yes indeed, men and women can be friends.
And if we can do it outside “the church,” then we can do it within, too.
I think men and women have forgotten how to be “friends.” I, too, have some really good men friends. In fact, in my job, I work with a crew of men. I love it! They are my brothers. They respect me and they know not to mess with me. But I think that’s because I meet them on equal ground, much like it sounds that you do. I understand the whole “Pence Rule” as it applies to church leaders. I get it. But it’s usually because of “other people’s” problems, not the pastors or leaders. It’s a shame. Men and women CAN be friends. In fact, I encourage my kids to be friends with the opposite sex. Then you know how to treat everyone equally, and respectfully. No games. Blessing!
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Thanks,Lisa! I love your comment. You’ve nailed it very well. No games, no drama, let’s just actually enjoy one another’s company. Seems sensible to me.
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That’s the problem…we’re sensible. LOL
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The Pence rule strikes me as being more of a precautionary measure in terms of this 24/7 digital age. I’m 99% sure he doesn’t follow it as strictly as he claims. As for us plebs, well, it all depends on the individual. Some people are more likely to cross boundaries just because they can and some aren’t.
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Yes,I’m sure there are people who are more likely to cross boundaries just because they can. That truth brings up another issue, like why do they “think they can?” I’m kind of horrified by some facets of the church that seem to believe, teach,promote, the idea that women are always to blame. Well shoot, if you believe that foolishness as something that is God endorsed, you don’t ever have to learn how to act like a human, do you?
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Thanks for being my friend insanity! So good to know I am not the only crazy one 😊
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Ha! You’re actually a real blessing. Thanks for being in my world and for your kind words.
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Enjoyed this post IB. I think you’re right about the “Pence/Billy Graham” rule. It makes complete sense for celebrities and people afraid of bad PR to follow it, not so much for average Joes.
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The cliche “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned” needs to find its way into the conversation you think we should have. Men who have something to lose have always been mindful of that cliche. Because cliches only become so after enough time has passed to prove their point.
“But women get raped” – is not an addition to the subject. It is a change of subject. It’s not that women don’t get raped. It’s that, if no woman was raped for the next five years, it would not change the truth behind the cliche “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned”. That is the subject behind the Pence rule and the “why can’t men and women be friends” talk. And it is an issue mostly with men who have something to lose.
A man at the same job level as a woman might fear her indignation or scorn or whatever, but he does not fear (so much) that she might ruin his career as – say – a Les Moonves, who have women making accusations such as “he put his hand on my shoulder and said flirty things”. That is one accusation I have heard. Tell me, where in the list of laws our country has is that a prosecutable crime?? It is not. It is only useful for character assasination. And character assasination in public, leveled against a man at a signifantly higher job level than the accuser, is what the Pence rule and that sort of caution on the part of men is about. Because, the most valuable asset any one possesses is their character. And it is no light matter that it is impugned in public.
I’m guessing that would be part of the reason why our founding fathers set up the rule of law such that everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty. That rule was created by men. What is going on now in the public sphere suffers from no such restriction. And what is going on now is created and driven by women. With the rule created by men, both men and women are presumed innocent until proven guilty. With what is going on now, created and driven by women, a charge of “he touched my shoulder and said flirty things” can ruin a man’s career. Whether this is a good thing is worthy of much discussion. But that discussion cannot be had if, when that subject is brought up, someone immediately claims “women get raped”. That women get raped is a truth, and is worthy of its own discussion. But that discussion has nothing to contribute to the discussion of whether it violates our rule of law (and sense of justic) to allow character assassination in public. So long as character assassination in public is allowed (free speech and all), and so long as women continue to show a willingness to do that, men in certain positions will need to abide by some variation of the Pence rule (and that extends to fathers driving their daughter’s friends home after dark).
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The quote, “hell hath no fury like a woman scorned” should call us to not to fear, but to not scorning women. Scorn is actually, “the feeling or belief that someone or something is worthless or despicable; beyond contempt.”
So, if men are perceiving women as “worthless, despicable,and beyond contempt,” that is the problem, that is the heart condition that is all wrong. It is not wrong to come against that kind of mindset with the fury of hell. The phrase is not saying, “women are bad, beware of them,” it is saying, “don’t scorn women.”
I mentioned rape and sexual assault because this idea that damage to men’s reputation or status is somehow equal or even more important then the harm done to victims of abuse is just sheer, “scorn of women.” That is just so devoid of compassion, so arrogant. How can we even “be friends” with men who seem to believe that what people say about them is somehow far more important then whether or not women suffer sexual abuse?
I’ve endured some stuff on the internet at the hands of some red pills, Dalrockians, incels, and it’s all good, it’s opened my eyes to what “scorn of women” really looks like and why it might be such a problem in the world. Some men are worried about their alleged reputation, I’m far more concerned about constant death threats, violent pornography,and hateful fantasies. That’s a daily onslaught for me on the internet. Where’s my due process? Apparently I am not “innocent until proven guilty” at all, apparently I am simply scorned and condemned.
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I WAS a fiercely bigoted ‘male superiority’ activist. My closest friend and I even contemplated forming a club of like-minded men – until we realized many such clubs already celebrated men exclusively. Of course, in those days we frequented “dark alleys full of men of questionable mental health, addiction, drugs, and gang bangers”.
A personal encounter with Christ encouraged me to embrace an alternative perspective. The incident recorded in John 4 reveals a predetermined effort by Christ to ignore conventional norms. No self-respecting Jew would ever dare enter Samaria for fear of accusations of collusion with half-breeds. Much worse, would be any show of respect for a Samaritan WOMAN!
When I lost my self-centered ambitions, I discovered a profound appreciation for others – most notably WOMEN. I’ve now enjoyed 3X as many years in rewarding mutual friendship with wonderful ladies than the time I spent stuck in “dark alleys”. Thank God for my revival! However, I firmly believe that without Christ, I would remain in abject ignorance.
In or out of ‘church circles’, many or likely MOST men are lacking sincere empathy. Many masquerade as ‘righteous’, yet have NEVER encountered The Righteous One. Those who have fervently dared to enter ‘forbidden territory’ to meet with women on equal grounds, do so ONLY in response to divine enlightenment.
Adam ignored his responsibility and blamed “the woman YOU gave me”. From that ill-conceived notion of ‘ownership’, men have naturally assumed superiority ever since. Apart from supernatural revelation that ideology is intrinsic.
When I officiate wedding ceremonies, I remind the assembly of the following. God created Woman from the rib of the Man. She was not taken from his foot to be placed below him. She was molded from his side: close to his heart, under his protective arm, forever to be beside him and equal with him.
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Amen, MJ! Really good point about the Samaritan woman.
The older I get the more I become aware of the fact that it really takes an act of Divine love to boost us forward so we can proceed to love others properly. We love only because He first loved us..
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I agree with you and blame the problem on media hype and falsehood. They need to sensationalize news to sell it. As a woman who has worked in male-dominated careers like sign painting and construction, I have always worked with men and always been friends with them and have never experienced any problems. The same with the churches I have attended, including the lovely little church we attend now.
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