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I’ve written quite extensively about red pills, especially so-called Christian ones like Dalrock. I started researching them for many reasons, but one reason was that I was noticing some hatred being spoken in Jesus Christ’s name, and some common phrases, shared rhetoric, that seemed to all be coming from the same place.
Many Christian women who blog know of the red pills and their really vile behavior, herd behavior, mob behavior, and trolling. Our words matter, the condition of our heart matters, and if you are just wallowing in bitterness and resentment towards women and some pseudo Christian starts saying that’s biblical, God endorsed, and proceeds to build a cult following, you soon wind up with this army of broken men who fancy themselves internet soldiers for Christ. Soldiers called to go forth and destroy as many women as possible.
It is dark, vile, and ugly. It is literally speaking the Lord’s word out of one side of your neck, while speaking graphic and violent pornography out the other side. Sometimes there are pornographic pictures, threats, emails. Deep seated sexual perversion and rage as weapons in their own imaginary Social Justice war.
People like Dalrock will often hype up the rhetoric and sexual frustration, as he has done in the post I linked to above, “the Cost of Sluthood.” Then once everyone is all amped up, he names a specific target, having no idea who is reading his blog, but smugly sitting back and just waiting for his troll army to go attack them.
Sheila Wray Gregoire over at “To love, honor, and Vacuum” was a recent target, as you can see in her comment here, “This week, my daughter’s video was linked to by a hateful men’s rights blog, and she has received hundreds of comments that both quote the Bible, and then insult her in pornographic ways (“I wonder how many **** you **** last night?) They are pigs…..”
She doesn’t name Dalrock and the red pills, but I sure will! I watched that go down, I know exactly who targeted her and her daughter. I’ve been on the receiving end of their venom more than a few times myself.
Something that was so painful for me the first time I saw it, was watching some Christians support them, side with them, and then justify it. Women lie, donja know. Remember Potiphar’s wife? I was staring at actual emailed pictures of genitalia I had received myself, reading about banging 13yr olds and cutting of women’s arms, and how much God hates me, while these Christian men, some pastors even, were just carrying on about how women always lie, while endlessly quoting the 9th commandment and of course, Ephesians 5:22.
It was an eye-opening experience that totally violated my trust and eventually led me to conclude that “the church,” as a whole, of which I am a part, does indeed have a major problem with sexual abuse, with silencing women, and with cultivating misogyny.
Consider Toby Sumpter pastor, big church not far from me, and the pure venom just dripping from his words, “The #MeToo movement is a complete scam, a complete con-job, a full-throated cheat. #MeToo is a diseased pig wearing a dinner gown and a ludicrous smear of lipstick. #MeToo is a hag with hairy legs shuffling around in a pink tutu. #MeToo is an obese butch with a smoker’s voice trying to sing a lullaby. #MeToo is a parasitic farce that sucks the blood of a charade that picks the fleas from a travesty of a lie that was so lame they gave it a Nobel Peace Prize. It’s a sham, a speckled corpse, a black tooth, a fraud.”
Charming specimen, isn’t he? Those are the words he is speaking publicly about women who have been victims of sexual abuse.
And they sit there still, unchecked, unchallenged! In fact, thousands continue to support him, have him on podcasts, praise him. His words don’t live in a vacuum they are being supported, endorsed, and defended by others.
So those who are critical of #Mettoo, those who may wonder why there is often so much anger towards the church, this is one reason why.
Wow… Christians ought not to be yoked with tjose who do and say such ungodly things. Really shocking… thanks for soeaking up, dear IB! 💜💜
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“those”… I meant to type. iPhone typo here. 😣😉💜
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Good post. I didn’t know Sheila’s daughter had made a video until Sheila mentioned it to me and several of the others in the CMBA (Christian Marriage Bloggers Association). I loved the video but didn’t get to see the comments as she has already deleted them. But I was appalled by the words Sheila used to describe them, just as I am with what you have shared.
Women ask me why I am not married yet or dating…because men are pigs and the good ones, who actually respect women and treat them right get stuck because…well we’re men. Sad.
Thanks for sharing this. I’m sharing your post. 🙂
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Seriously, that pastor said that? Unbelievable. Or sadly, maybe not so unbelievable.
I’m a bit critical of the #MeToo movement, not because I think it’s made up and that women have not been abused/harrassed. They most certainly have and it’s good this movement has given them the confidence to speak out about it. It’s all encompassing though, with good men getting sucked in to it’s vortex and labeled as bad and women being encouraged to think they share no responsibility in deciding how people get to treat them.
Back to your post though, the behavior of these so called Christians is appalling. Thanks for your vigilance on this ugly and disheartening topic.
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Wow! I didn’t realize so many men thought like this. That explains a lot to me. From my experience of sexually harassment, most of this garbage comes from their own projection.
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https://youtu.be/T8Jiwo3u6Vo reminds me of this
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Wow. That’s a pretty powerful and painful video to watch. Glad you posted it, however. Much appreciated! I know it’s an old cliche, but beauty actually comes from the inside, it starts in your heart.
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I haven’t read Darlock but your description sounds like some blogs I have seen in the past…uber talk on masculinity sprinkled in with Christianese and having obsession with talks about sex in demeaning ways about women or in crass ways. I don’t get it.
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Imagine if you took radical feminist rhetoric and reversed the genders. That’s essentially all that these guys do. I’ve come to believe that it’s really a reactionary movement.
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I know you are more charitable than I am, IB. I tend to think that those Red pillians who are verbally abusing women are examples of what the Bible describe about the last days. There will be people who are lovers of selves and all the horrible things they do, they will claim they are doing them for God. In truth, I think they mock the faith and trample on the grace of God. That being said, I think the pastor who you linked to above, doesn’t fall into that category. I only read the end of his article, but what I gather, he’s not trying to stop women from talking as much as he is criticizing the idea that in banding together women can find healing. Here’s a critical passage:
I honestly haven’t thought deeply about this crowd-sourced rage and how we Christians should view it. But I wonder if a discussion about the method of #MeToo isn’t OK to have. I see that as very different from the thinks that the Red Pills are doing.
Becky
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I think what bothers me the most about some Christians like Toby Sumpter or Pastor Wilson,their theology is beautiful,the words they speak are the words of our Lord. I could just close my eyes and sink into their beautiful words any day. They speak with the tongues of angels…but have not love. That part about love is absolutely critical!
So, it is really, really unloving to hear of rape victims and to use words like, “diseased pig, hag with hairy legs, or an an obese butch.” And that is only the half of it! I watch these men and how they treat other people on line, especially women and it is outright hateful and abusive. How am I too reconcile the beautiful words of our Lord with the hateful behavior of these men? I cannot. The two things just do not go together. The fact that they have cloaked really appalling behavior behind beautiful words from scripture does not suddenly make what is dark and ugly, now virtuous and Holy. In fact, it just makes it so much worse, down right evil.
Like you, my first instinct is to give them the benefit of the doubt, to empathize politically,and to overlook the fact that people like Dalrock, Sumpter,Wilson are actually writing articles about “sluthood, flat chested twinkies,” and assorted other really graphic sexual things that convey anything BUT a love for women.
There’s a part of me that seems to believe you’d be better off being an atheist then someone who is going to promote hatred as if it were Holy.
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You’ve certainly read what these guys write far more than I have, IB. In fact, I’d never heard of this Pastor Sumpter before. Dalrock, I didn’t have to read much of his writing to know he’s off base. Clearly. Off. Base. Pastor Wilson, I’ve seen some issues there amid a lot of right understanding of the Bible. Pastor Sumpter? All I know of him is this one article.
And here, I think he’s criticizing the movement. I went back and read the whole article, and even the part that you quoted about the diseased pig and all, is directed at the movement. Not at women. Here’s another part of what he said:
Again, I am simply not knowledgeable enough to know if his criticisms are valid. As I understand him, he thinks that since the #MeToo movement is driven by feminists who support abortion, transgender issues, pornography, they are actually not really interested in helping women.Then along come Christian women who have the abuse issue in mind and they naively join the bandwagon, in essence supporting some things that we should hate. Again, I don’t know if what he says is true. But from this very small sample, I don’t see him in the same camp with Dalrock and Co. Wilson, I don’t know.
Becky
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Both Feminism and the Red Pills derive from Cultural Marxism. In the Marxist social paradigms, everything is zero-sum; you’re either 100% with the program or you’re an enemy. In gender issues, Feminists see no good in masculinity; the Red Pills preach AWALT; and the homosexuals say that you either support them or you’re a ‘homophobe’. The reason that Dalrock and Sumpter talk like this is because they don’t really believe that things like rape or sexual abuse actually happen. The Feminists say that ‘all sex is rape and all men are potential rapists. And into the breach steps the homo activists claiming that they are the ‘moderates’ in the so-called Gender Wars. All three of these philosophies are not only un-Christian; they are anti-Civilization. They all claim to be advancing our culture, but all of them, in their final analyses are throwbacks to the prehistoric eras from whence they think that we evolved.
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I’ll have to take your word for it that Sumpter is in that group because his words seemed quite different to me from what I’ve read from the few alt-right guys.
Becky
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Who said darlock? Haha. I hope you take showers and use lotsa soap (fels naptha) after dealing with this ‘infectious waste,’ and I only mean it in the spiritual sense. 😉
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How on Earth…or should I say how in heaven’s name are you lot going to get on up there?
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Do you mean heaven? How is such a miserable lot of dysfunction and perversion ever going to get to heaven? Let me tell you, without Jesus, we’d all be sunk. There are “none righteous, not one,” but some people just seem to revel in it.
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I wouldn’t know that these red pill people even exist if not for your commentary on them. Frankly, I’d almost prefer to remain sheltered from their venom. Their abuse of Christ’s Word and of his Bride is utterly unacceptable. J.
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Yes, sorry about that Salvageable! I often want to look away myself, to not share the misery, and yet I think people need to know the truth.
The truth is there’s this huge group of broken and wounded guys in desperate need of some genuine soul care. There are also quite a few Christian women being targeted, torn down, attacked. It inhibits or prohibits our ability to share the good news and it takes it’s toll on us.
I can’t fix it of course, only the Lord can fix things, but I think dragging it out into the sunlight helps.
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A powerful defense of women. Thank you.
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Sad part about life is we are all imperfect. When you have over 60 years of hypocrisy in your face, you get tired of it and just don’t care anymore. You realize this is the human condition. We all suck and fall short as was written. Jesus there is none good but God and he even included himself in that. If someone is a hypocrite, sooner or later the cloven hooves will be spotted by those that wish to see them. The others, will never believe it. I straight up don’t trust anyone and shouldn’t. If you see a rich Christian preacher, he or she is a fake right off the bat, no matter how kind or real their words seem to appear. You can’t be rich and be a Christian either. Now is God sitting up there saying this person’s BS is worse than that other BS over there? Probably not. All we can do is believe and be a light, not a critic. We also don’t have accept the sins of others for a fact, especially if we care about them. We are supposed to repent & if we love Jesus, we keep his commandment of love.
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I’d like to ask you a few things.
Lori Alexander said:
“Men prefer virgins with no tattoos and no debt for marriage”
and you and her detractors heard
“If you are a debt laden tatted up nonvirgin, you are a horrible person who deserves never ever ever to get married and you are a terrible Christian condemned to hell and a lonely solitary life.”
And the prime reason you heard that was because you do not like men getting to make their own decisions about who they will date, have sex with, and marry.
So I’d like to ask you:
1) Do you have a problem with men having their own standards for the women they date, have sex with, and marry? Yes or no?
2) If so, why? What problem do you have with that?
3) Do you accept that men have the absolute right to decide what criteria they judge women on for marriage, relationships and sex? If not, why not?
4) Do you accept that women don’t get to decide what criteria men use for marriage, relationships and sex? If you believe you have that right, what makes you believe this?
5) Isn’t this really about women being angry that they don’t get to decide what preferences men have for the women they have sex with, date and marry? Isn’t this hysterical reaction just women raging that men, not they, get to decide this?
I think this is about men judging and evaluating women, and women not being in control over how they are judged and evaluated.
What do you think? Why? Please don’t deflect with “but men do bad stuff too” and “eeevil Dalrock” and “bad, bad men.” Please answer the questions: Can men have their own standards, or not? If not, why not?
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Well deti, most of the men who follow Dalrock are so broken and deeply perverse, they are not worthy of a Christian woman who is a virgin and debt free.
In fact, now I just want to tell young women, get yourself some debt and tattoos, ASAP. That may well be an act of self defense that protects you from the attentions of some really dark and shallow men hiding their bitterness behind Christ’s name.
As to women not being in control of how they are judged and evaluated, once again men who are into violent pornography and endless fantasies about destroying women, are not worthy to judge anyone.
Extra credit stupid for trying to justify such arrogance and darkness with the Lord’s word.
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Awesome answer ma’am.
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So, you went ahead with “but Dalrock and his commenters are bad” without answering the questions. And namecalling.
Men are entitled to have whatever standards they want. It doesn’t matter if they’re bad men or not. And yes, those men might not be “worthy” to judge women, but they still do; and they, not you, determine who gets their commitment.
You copped out. Bottom line – women don’t get to control how they are judged by men for marriage, relationships and sex. And women are very angry that they can’t control men in this regard.
Next time, don’t cop out. Answer the questions directly without yelling “bad bad men” everywhere.
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“Men are entitled to have whatever standards they want. It doesn’t matter if they’re bad men or not. ”
Think about what you’ve just said from a Christian perspective and ponder why those words just might be the very antithesis of our faith.
No, men are not, “entitled to whatever standards they want.” Those are actually anti-christ words, lies that reveal the arrogance of men’s hearts.
99% of the men I know would never sink down into such foolishness, so don’t falsely assume I am angry at “men.” I am angry at the deep seated perversions of a tiny handful of men, men who actually shame the truth and beauty of who and what men really are. Worse, they embarrass the word of our Lord and teach their brothers falsely.
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When it comes to marriage, men are entitled to judge women on any standards they want. They are also entitled to have preferences. Yes, men are entitled to any standards they want when selecting women for marriage.
They are entitled to say “I prefer a virgin to a nonvirgin”. They are entitled to say “a woman who isn’t a virgin doesn’t meet my standards for being MY wife. She might meet some other man’s standards. But she does not meet mine, and therefore I will not marry her.”
They are entitled to say “I prefer a woman without a lot of debt. She doesn’t meet MY standards. She might meet someone else’s standards, but she doesn’t meet mine.” They are entitled to say “I prefer a woman with no tattoos. She doesn’t meet MY standards. She might meet some other man’s standards, but not mine.”
There is nothing at all wrong with that.
Notice – NO ONE is saying a tatted up debt laden nonvirgin is not worthy of heaven. That’s for God to judge. NO ONE is saying a tatted up debt laden virgin is not worthy of marriage to anyone. That’s for each individual man to judge. Other men might judge her worthy.
But whether she is worthy of marriage to me is for me, and me alone, to judge.
I didn’t say you are angry at men. Stop distorting what I said. I said women are angry that they cannot control how men judge and evaluate them for marriage. Men have the absolute right to judge women’s fitness for marriage on any standards they see fit.
I’m pretty sure most women here will say they have the absolute right to judge men’s fitness for marriage on any standards they see fit.
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Well Deti, considering I’ve now been married for 31 years while most of the Dalrockians are bitter, perverse, and DIVORCED, I think my wisdom is going to trump theirs.
Men are free to be attracted to whatever they like, however the first step of faith is to realize you are entitled to nothing. Not salvation, not an attractive woman, not even breath itself. Running about and SEXUALLY judging other women you don’t even know because one’s small and ugly heart needs to feel better about itself, is simply arrogant, unloving, and demonstrates ones own unworthiness and wounding.
Lori is actually an aging woman, insecure, criticizing her sisters because she needs to hang onto some feelings of superiority, some sense that she is more virtuous and attractive than all the other women around her. That’s not wisdom, that’s not virtue, and that’s not placing your identity safely in Christ’s hands. That isn’t even good for Lori.
And once again I say, men who are wallowing in violent pornography and reveling in bitterness towards women, have no business judging anyone else. Do such men have a right to proclaim they are only attracted to debt free virgins without tattoos? I suppose so, but not a one is worthy of such a woman and so they simply fuel their own bitterness, resentment, and sense of rejection.
And flat out if I were a debt free virgin who found myself married to such a man, I’d divorce his useless behind. Such a man already has a Savior who suffered for his sins. No woman should ever believe she must try to stand in that gap as a martyr on his behalf.
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You’re just going to keep distorting everything I’ve said. you’re not responding to me; you’re responding to strawmen. But i’ll engage you one last time.
Men are free to be attracted to whatever they like, however the first step of faith is to realize you are entitled to nothing.
Correct; but irrelevant. Men are entitled to judge women for marriage on any standards they see fit.
No one here is saying men are entitled to wives or marriage, or salvation, or anything else. You’ve erected a strawman here – I didn’t argue this point.
Running about and SEXUALLY judging other women you don’t even know because one’s small and ugly heart…. is simply arrogant, unloving, and demonstrates ones own unworthiness and wounding.
Your statement has nothing to do with anything. This is not about judging women we don’t know. This is not about SEXUALLY judging women. Whether men are wounded or “unworthy” has nothing to do with anything.
This is about judging women’s fitness for marriage and the standards and preferences men have and are entitled to have. Judging women’s fitness for marriage has some to do with sex and more to do with practicality. Men are entitled to judge women’s sexual attractiveness and sexual fitness when it comes to marriage.
Lori is actually an aging woman, insecure, criticizing her sisters because she needs to hang onto some feelings of superiority, some sense that she is more virtuous and attractive than all the other women around her. That’s not wisdom, that’s not virtue, and that’s not placing your identity safely in Christ’s hands. That isn’t even good for Lori.
Irrelevant. She is not judging or criticizing anyone. She stated a truth we both know – men don’t want to wife up tatted up debt laden nonvirgins. And men are ENTITLED to say “I don’t want to wife up a tatted up debt laden nonvirgin”. Other men might be OK with it. But some, even most, men are not. And there is NOTHING unchristian about that.
And once again I say, men who are wallowing in violent pornography and reveling in bitterness towards women, have no business judging anyone else.
Irrelevant. Any man can judge any woman FOR MARRIAGE on any standards and preferences he wants. It doesn’t matter whether he is “bitter” or angry or sinful. (we are all sinful, there is none righteous, no not one). He can be all those things and still be entitled to judge a woman’s fitness for marriage to him. Period.
Do such men have a right to proclaim they are only attracted to debt free virgins without tattoos? I suppose so, but not a one is worthy of such a woman and so they simply fuel their own bitterness, resentment, and sense of rejection.
Again, whether they are ATTRACTED to debtfree tattoofree virgins is a given. The question is NOT whether such men are “worthy” of such women. The men’s righteousness or lack thereof is NOT the issue here. The question is whether they have a right to judge debt laden tatted up nonvirgins as unworthy of marriage TO THEM, and they absolutely have that right.
Again: Men have a right to say “I do not want to wife up a tattedup debt laden nonvirgin because they don’t meet my standards.” It does not matter one bit whether such men are worthy of “better” women.
And flat out if I were a debt free virgin who found myself married to such a man, I’d divorce his useless behind. Such a man already has a Savior who suffered for his sins. No woman should ever believe she must try to stand in that gap as a martyr on his behalf.
Totally irrelevant to anything here. We are not discussing questions of salvation. No woman no matter how righteous or worthy has any business trying to “stand in the gap” for anyone. The most perfect woman’s righteousness is as filthy rags to God, and we both know it. No woman can “save” a man. We are NOT talking about salvation here. We are talking about men’s ability to judge women’s fitness for marriage.
Yes or no: Do women have the absolute right to judge men’s fitness for marriage? If you answer “yes” to that question, you must also answer “yes” to the cognate, that men have the absolute right to judge women’s fitness for marriage.
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“Do women have the absolute right to judge men’s fitness for marriage? ”
No. I asked God. God was right. I have been infinitely blessed by trusting God and not my own wisdom. It is not irrelevant at all, it is the path to joy, peace, and a good marriage.
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Considering I’ve been married 22 years, that stacks up pretty well to your 31.
Moreover, you’re getting confused again.
You’re reading
“Men are entitled to judge women’s fitness for marriage”
as
“Men are entitled to judge women’s fitness for salvation and heaven”
I am saying the former. Neither I nor anyone else said the latter.
Conversely, a woman’s salvation and acceptance of Christ does NOT mean she is fit for marriage. It does NOT mean she is fit for marriage to certain men. And it does NOT mean men are required to see only her salvation and ignore red flags/unfitness.
Christ decides whether she’s fit for heaven. A man decides whether she’s fit for marriage to him.
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“Do women have the absolute right to judge men’s fitness for marriage? ”
No. I asked God. God was right. I have been infinitely blessed by trusting God and not my own wisdom. It is not irrelevant at all, it is the path to joy, peace, and a good marriage.
You asked God after determining whether you were attracted to your husband and whether he made a good fit FOR YOU. You would not have selected him were you not attracted to him and he were not a good fit FOR YOU, and you determined whether he was a good fit FOR YOU by applying your own individual criteria, whatever they were.
You have the absolute right to judge an individual man’s fitness for marriage TO YOU.
Every woman has the absolute right to judge an individual man’s fitness for marriage TO HER. Women do this every day – this man is acceptable, this one is not. This one might be acceptable; these three are not.
You’re being disingenuous here.
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“I think my wisdom is going to trump theirs.”
If you trusted God and not your own wisdom in selecting your husband for marriage; why should you trust your own wisdom in anything? God gives every believer a spirit of love, power and a sound mind. Why do you get to apply your “sound mind” to some things and not others?
We are to be as wise as serpents and gentle as doves in all things. Too often, we emphasize the gentle over the wise.
Our reliance on God’s provision and help doesn’t mean we get to be stupid and leave our wisdom at the marriage altar. Reliance on God doesn’t mean we get to mentally disengage.
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“God gives every believer a spirit of love, power and a sound mind. ”
Those who advocate in favor of violent pornography, revenge fantasies against women, and perpetual bitterness as if it were scripturally sound, have no business speaking to me of “having a spirit of love, power and a sound mind. ”
That is simply vulgar,crass, and hate filled. It is an antithesis to our faith, it is all wrong headed, it is exceedingly unhealthy.
Don’t try to speak faith to me deti, because I look at those men and all I can see is how they want to rape 13 yr old Asian chicks, bang whores, and cut off women’s arms. That Is the truth of who and what the Dalrockians are and you would try to rational-lies it away, as if the condition of those hearts were irrelevant?
I’m not buying what you’re selling deti. It is total bovine poo and it makes me feel sick to my stomach.
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And women who cannot or will not engage in an intellectually honest manner, who respond with intellectual dishonesty and disingenuousness, who intentionally distort, who argue with strawmen, and who name call, have no business speaking to me about sound minds, faith, or anything else.
Good day.
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I could be all those things deti, but I would still not be half as broken and sad as the pseudo-men who have confused the joys of sexual intimacy with hatred, destruction and soul murder.
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Other men’s brokenness is irrelevant to the truths of
“Men prefer debtfree tattoofree virgins”
and “men have a right to judge women for marriage by any standards they see fit”
and “women have a right to judge men by any standards they see fit”.
You can call names all you want. It will not change those facts one iota.
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“Other men’s brokenness is irrelevant to the truths…”
Our brokenness leads us to the Truth, deti. It is men’s brokenness that made Christ’s sacrifice necessary. “Jesus is the way and the Truth and the life.” When men are walled off by arrogance and pride, they cannot know Jesus. They cannot even see that they are broken! That is very relevant, it is actually the difference between spiritual life and spiritual death. It matters. I am not “calling names,” I am trying to wake the dead.
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Our brokenness leads us to the Truth, deti.
You’re being disingenuous and intellectually dishonest here. You’re deflecting. This is not about salvation. This is about the very practical matters of men and women judging each other’s fitness for marriage. We are not required to lay our wisdom at the church door and go in and get married stupidly and blindly, and in fact God EXPECTS us to apply our wisdom and knowledge. Faith doesn’t mean mentally disengage. Faith doesn’t mean act stupidly and expecting God to get us out of it.
It is men’s brokenness that made Christ’s sacrifice necessary. “Jesus is the way and the Truth and the life.”
True, but irrelevant to the specific matter at hand.
You’ve shown yourself incapable here of engaging me honestly and in good faith. You’re deflecting and arguing disingenuously, and arguing with strawmen.
The issue here is whether men can judge women’s fitness for marriage to them. Not whether men and women are saved, worthy of salvation, how salvation occurs, or anything else. All true. But totally irrelevant to the specific matter at hand.
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“The issue here is whether men can judge women’s fitness for marriage to them.”
The answer to that is no, not when their hearts are hard. One cannot speak death over women, while misusing the Lord’s beautiful words, and then proclaiming oneself qualified to judge others. That is a form of spiritual, intellectual,and sexual dishonesty that renders one unworthy to judge others. It harms the name of Christ, it harms the men involved in it, and it harms women too.
I am not defecting at all. I am flat out saying, such men are unworthy to judge anyone but themselves.
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The answer to that is no, not when their hearts are hard.
Yes, they can. Because they are judging ONE INDIVIDUAL woman’s fitness for marriage TO HIM.
One cannot speak death over women while misusing the Lord’s beautiful words
No one is doing that.
then proclaiming oneself qualified to judge others.
An individual man is qualified to judge an individual woman’s fitness for marriage to him.
You’re still being disingenuous, dishonest, arguing with strawmen, and deflecting.
Such men are unworthy to judge anyone but themselves.
You are still talking about men judging women’s worthiness for heaven.
I am not talking about that. I am talking about individual men judging whether individual women are fit for marriage to them. And men are worthy to make those judgments for themselves. It has nothing to do with salvation or hardness of heart. You are being disingenuous, dishonest and deflecting, and arguing with strawmen. You’re not capable of engaging this topic honestly and unemotionally.
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I am not being disingenuous, dishonest and deflecting, nor am I being emotional or dishonest. I am simply informing you that you are wrong.
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I’m absolutely correct. I’ve destroyed every one of your arguments. You have not once argued honestly or responded to me directly. You’ve instead chosen to tilt at windmills and knock down your straw men.
You’ve lost this argument , and in spectacularly flaming fashion.
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Deti, I could really care less about “winning arguments.” I’d cheerfully lose them all, if I could just see some so called red pill “Christians,” turn to the Lord and embrace life and life abundant, rather then the brokenness and arrogance of men.
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The point is, you haven’t shown in any way that men cannot have preferences and standards for women when it comes to marriage. You haven’t shown in any way that men cannot judge women for marriage. They absolutely can, and they MUST.
It has nothing to do with salvation. It has everything to do with evaluating and judging a woman’s fitness for marriage.
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Hey det
Just an observation. Create a blog, write some posts, then others can bring mud into your house with proper context of course, for without context, many fools have presented the Lord Jesus as the antichrist.
Get the point?
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So true, Colorstorm. Context is everything. So is some consistency! One simply cannot say, “It has nothing to do with salvation. Irrelevant, irrelevant irrelevant,” and then in the next breath proceed to accuse one of debating, “without thinking or logic or even sound application of theological doctrine.”
This is too profound for most red pills to grasp, but theological doctrine actually says, “as you judge, so shall you be judged as you measure, so shall you be measured..”
It isn’t about debt, tats, or what men find attractive. It is about how we present the Lord, what we teach others about Him, how we proceed to love one another.
There is absolutely no “sound application of theological doctrine,” that says your faith is dependent on how well you meet the expectations and attractiveness signals coming from the opposite sex. Lori has just done yet another post calling women entitled and unclean. That’s hurtful. She is talking about her Christian sisters. Never mind them however, what she’s really saying is that the blood of Jesus is not powerful enough to wash away some sins. Wrong!
It is the false representation of Who Jesus is and what He offers us that really ticks me off.
Also, in some places in the ME, the Christians actually bear tattoos, crosses or the N for Nazarene or small fish. You aren’t getting into church or a bible study without that tat, because nobody knows who you really are. They are not “unclean,” they are often risking their lives just to lift up the name of the Lord in dark part of the world.
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You also didn’t argue honestly or respond directly. You responded hysterically and emotionally, argued with strawmen of your own making, and without thinking or logic or even sound application of theological doctrine.
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Awesome
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