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I just loved this post of Colorstorm’s called, “God, sin and diapers.” Yes to it all! Click to read it, it’s wonderful.
I wanted to spin-off of his post a little bit, since I come from atheism, since I first encountered the presence of God when I was 3. I am not alone either, the number of children who have experienced a close encounter of the God kind is simply amazing. From talking with some of them, from walking out my faith, I have come to the conclusion that we know God as children, that seeking Him is innate and natural, that having an open mind and an open heart is what often leads us to encounter Him.
As children, there is no reason or guile, no disbelief, no cynicism or doubt that causes us to block or to disbelieve what we are seeing and perceiving. What makes atheism, non belief so cruel, is that it must be indoctrinated into children. They must be taught to doubt, to distrust, and to disbelieve. Atheism must be nurtured and enforced, guilted and shamed into existence.
To this day I maintain that atheism is actually emotionally and psychologically abusive, even when it is cloaked in the velvet glove of “love,” lying and trying to say, I’m just raising my child to be a free thinker and make their own choices….
Nope, you’re simply projecting your own shame and wounding onto another person and forcing them to choose between their loyalty towards you and their own innate biology and spirituality. There are varying degrees of that abuse, but abuse it is.
It seeks only to steal, kill, and destroy our relationship with our Creator. A relationship we are hardwired to seek.
Alas, sin is also innate to who we are as children. I’m chuckling here because I can keenly remember being completely baffled as to why I had both a desire to do good and desire to do bad and to hide it. The desire to hide it is a bit funny because I grew up in the 60’s and nobody was hiding anything.
There were no cookie jars at our house and there was no morality either. I could have stolen cookies and lied about it until the cows came home and it probably would have actually pleased my parents. But I didn’t “want” to. I did however, do numerous other things over the years just “knowing” this is not right, this is not what I want, this so misses the mark. But Whose mark? Who put it there? Why is it there in the first place? Trying to be obedient to God, as rough as my understanding was, was not so easy because it often ran contrary to what my parents wanted.
I of course, have no cross referenced, empirical data, to prove any of these things. I have nothing but my own testimony really, that and the testimony of others. God is real, He is tangible, and He comes to live inside of us, and when He does, He changes everything.
I’m 53 years old now. My mother is still angry with me, she disapproves of my “lifestyle,” she thinks I am delusional, believing in fairy tales. Just the other day she told me there is no such thing as sin and she is angry about it, angry I will not come into agreement with her.
That is the very essence of atheism, it cannot even see the nature of its own self. I could have a child gone wrong six ways past Sunday, a child whose lifestyle was enough to make anyone fret, but the very nature of sacrificial love would compel me to declare yep, I still love her, that’s just sin rearing its ugly head.
Atheism can not do that. Atheism must annihilate what sin has not already destroyed.
Shout out to our VP Mike Pence, too. I’ve been accused of being mentally ill my entire life, an especially painful accusation when one knows the truth, and when one also knows that mental illness is a serious disease that should never be mocked or maligned as if it indicates foolishness or something. Labeling Christians mentally ill is really wrong-headed, and it is wrong-headed to me personally.
So right on schedule, with God’s perfect personal timing, up popped Mike Pence suddenly declaring, you know what? This is not okay. Don’t be calling Christians mentally ill. Knock it off.
I so liked that! So hat tip to the Lord for knowing just what I need and when I need it. Hat tip to Colorstorm and to our VP too, for standing up and calling it like it is.
Atheism and the hatred of Christians is not a victimless crime.
See, there's this thing called biology... 
Atheism lacks humility, in my opinion. Without humility, it is impossible to have an “open mind.” 🤔
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Amen Crafty. It’s tough to have any intellectual curiosity when you think you already got all the answers.
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True about the lying, stealing, etc popping up in toddlers. You cannot convince me some parent taught them to do that. Watch even as a 6 or 8 month old child begins to be rebellious. Did you ever change a diaper on one who decides to turn over? It might take both arms to keep him right side up for the diaper change! Sin of rebellion – do it my way – comes mighty early. As always, your personal experience with this issue is beneficial to all.
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I am so proud of VP Mike Pence. I was shocked at what Joy Behar had to say. Equally shocked at how few came to his defense. Glad he had the courage to set the record straight.
And … thanks to you for your true witness to Jesus.
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The news is part of the entertainment business. What do entertainers do? They provide an audience for advertisers. What do advertisers do? They sell, some whether we need what they are selling or not.
When people are ethical, business is wonderful. Businessmen seek to stay in business by looking after the welfare of their customers. It is actually good business to form a healthy, long term relationships with the people who buy your goods and services.
When people are unethical, they think short term. Instead of informing their customers, businessmen seek to manipulate their customers. Since Christianity has declined so much in this nation, we have a lot of advertisers attacking the moral fiber of the people who watch the shows they pay for. Why? Sinful people can be manipulated more easily, and they don’t exercise much discrimination about what they buy.
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Well…I want and found some news about the VP and those women. Wow, and wow. I’d like to say thanks for a great post, but that made me sick to my stomach.
“Atheism and the hatred of Christians is not a victimless crime”
No, IB, the victims are the weak, and the lost who are pulled away and eaten by the atheist pack of attack wolves. They circle the edges looking for those and pull them out and eat them. Jesus, our Shepherd, protects His own from those, but leaders in God’s flock are not called shepherds themselves without reason. Maybe it’s time a few of the wolves got a stone in the forehead if you get me. It’s about high time the one’s who are firm stand up and speak to this, and quit hiding in the middle of the sheep.
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Good article, and good writeup, IB.
I was three also (at least, that’s as far back as I can remember…I don’t actually remember a time I wasn’t aware of God’s presence). I’m not sure how I knew (my parents were atheists like yours). I just knew.
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Isn’t that interesting? We just know. I love that! I can’t remember a time before I was 3 either.
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You wrote, “I have come to the conclusion that we know God as children, that seeking Him is innate and natural, that having an open mind and an open heart is what often leads us to encounter Him.”
Years ago, my mom told me a fascinating story. Apparently I was still so young and was still in diapers. I looked over at her and said, “God sent me as a gift to you and daddy.” She said that the remarkable part was that I had never entered the doors of a church and they had never spoken of God to me.
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Great story, Patrick! Amazing,isn’t it? Kids are often quite aware and can speak of God so matter of factly, as if everyone just knows Him, too.
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IB – As usual, I hear you; great conclusion to the topic. You say: “I of course, have no cross referenced, empirical data, to prove any of these things. I have nothing but my own testimony really, that and the testimony of others. God is real, He is tangible, and He comes to live inside of us, and when He does, He changes everything.” This illuminates a profound comprehension of godly values.
I once preached a message that began by my asking the congregation to open to the Gospel according to Mark, As I began sharing my personal ‘gospel’ I heard whispering from the flock, “where is he reading from?” “I can’t find that passage”. Of course, my name is Mark, and it was MY gospel I was sharing.
We who believe each have a gospel peculiar to our individuality, and dare I say, just as valid as those recorded in the Bible. If we are honest in our sharing of our personal experiences with God, we become as reliable a witness to Christ. No cross references, or empirical data necessary; only to let your light shine!
Fool, crazy, insane… “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” – 1 Cor. 1:18. If I couldn’t enjoy two-way communication with God, I couldn’t sincerely believe to know Him.
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LOL! The gospel of Mark, I love that.
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Dang, I sent ya comment but misplaced it over the other place. O well.
Love what you said about the distinction between a parents unfailing love, while at the same time pointing out that ‘Houston, we have a slight problem.’ Nobody is crucifying their kids because of their shortcomings, but for God’s sake, there be some weeds in our gardens, and the good gardener acts accordingly. But no, some parents demand no rules, boundaries, or instruction, who want their garden overrun with weeds under the guise of liberty, and call them ‘good little flowers,’ being oblivious to that little uncomfortable word aka ‘character defects,’ or ‘sin,’ then wonder why they grow up either godless or rebellious.
Hat tip? Sweet. And you too have a real gift ‘spinning off posts,’ as others no doubt know and enjoy. Btw, you know Mr Pence is on track when he raised the ire of Behar. lol
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Your manufactured statement “What makes atheism, non-belief so cruel, is that it must be indoctrinated into children. They must be taught to doubt, to distrust, and to disbelieve. Atheism must be nurtured and enforced, guilted and shamed into existence.”
You have refused to learn anything, in fact, you are so blatantly wrong it is over the top of the dung hill even for a theist. I expect this belief was approached with the same attitude that you used for your faith. You have created the God inside your brain because you have accepted the myths from the preachers and convinced yourself they are reality until your brain has changed its self to accommodate your belief (Neuroplasticity) forming new connections between brain cells called neurons, and therefore your reality has been manifested from mythology.
You actually have no idea of what atheism is about even though you claim you were raised as one. Theism I agree is not being mentally ill, however everything we believe is generated by the brain and it truly can manifest into our realities.
Good luck and watch out for all the evil atheists😊
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At least steve some of us defer……….to the MAKER of the human brain.
Who then do you defer to? Answer carefully as your evolution is a dead religion.
And where is your blog that I may grace with daylight…….
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“You have refused to learn anything…..”
A frequent accusation from atheists which certainly does reaffirm my point about atheist indoctrination. Atheism must be learned, it must be taught, it must be programmed into people and enforced.
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Please explain IB how atheists can indoctrinate their children when they attend religious schools and mix with all types of religious kids? We in Australia are very tolerant of other people’s beliefs and we do not segregate our children or have atheists indoctrinating their children like mad to stop the evils of Christianity.
How do they do it in America, are the kids dragged along to listen to Professor Dawkins or some anti- theist speakers and made to study Darwin’s books such as “On the Origin of Species?”
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Great post, IB (and Colorstorm). I have a good laugh whenever atheists try to tell me sin doesn’t exist, or even funnier, when they insist that atheism is content free. Maybe in the dictionary, but it certainly isn’t true with any atheist I’ve ever met. They are anything but content free, opinion-free, or even worldview free. And so, the argument goes, sin doesn’t exist because it’s an appeal to divine law and the “divine” doesn’t exist. The only problem with this is, then explain what are we doing to each other? I suppose the gunman at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School was only being impolite to the students. Oh wait, he’s a murderer. But why is this so? What standard of morality are we appealing to? Talk about elephant in the room!
Even a child can see that there’s something wrong with the world. But I’ve come to not expect a coherent argument from our content-free atheist friends. 🙂
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Well said,Mel. I think it was CS Lewis who once reasoned that even if God did not exist, the only moral option, for the well being of community, would be to invent Him so as to give people hope, a sense of peace, a set of values and ideals to hang onto. What is sin but a loss of hope, no sense of peace,and no set of values and ideals? Had any of our school shooters had those things, they would not have committed their atrocities.
So if morality is simply about doing what is good for the well being of community,than even by atheistic standards, atheism is immoral.
CS Lewis than went on to explain that the very fact that he was even able to contemplate God and imagine what a more moral world would look like, spoke to the existence of God in the first place.
A couple of guys with some major cognitive challenges once handed me the best bit of theology ever. They were arguing over the existence of God and one said, “Are you real? Because if you are real, God is real. And if you are not real, then you should probably just shut up.” It made me laugh, but that’s it in a nutshell. We can disprove our own existence long before we can disprove God’s.
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Yes, CS Lewis was brilliant at showing the utter absurdity of relativistic morals. Why we exist is another elephant in the room. Getting pretty crowded in that room, btw! 🙂
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Oh very well said IB and thanks for linking to ColorStorm’s equally impressive post. Even as the agnostic person I was several years ago, I always felt being an atheist took much more willful blindness of ridiculous things than believing in God. Atheism is a religion in itself but it’s followers never grasp this.
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You make a really good point, Tricia. There is disbelief, ambivalence, agnosticism, the not knowing. But atheism is something different, that is a willful refusal, a deliberate blindness that has to take hostages in order to try to prove it’s case.
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Sorry Tricia, you are quite wrong. Religion has evolved with man since he walked the earth. The fact that humans are predisposed towards gods and deities is because it made sense for a super human to be controlling the sun, the moon and the weather etc. Of course, if you do not believe scientific evidence that any religions existed before Christianity or you have a conspiracy in mind you will not believe this.
An Atheist state of mind is how we are born, it is the default state of mind. You do not have to believe in anything to be an atheist, it is only when you are made aware of your choices do you decide to follow a religious order of one god or another.
Atheism is not a complicated position as such because the belief is in nothing, but they may have other personal ideals as to the reason of the existence of the universe etc, but this does not make them into an ideological religion as you have said.
There are some atheists who go further than the simplicity of what atheism is and form regular meetings that may encompass rules and rituals moving away from the simple meaning of what atheism is into what could be called an ideology such as anti-theist or similar. These people are not usually the mainstream atheists however they cannot be termed as a religion either if you look up the English definition of this word. Such as, “the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.” I hope this has helped you to have grasped the truth.
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If you guys don’t believe in anything, why do you all have so much to say?
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Hilarious.
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sklyjd, atheism is a way of making sense of the world and how it operates. It requires a belief in specific premises and faith that those premises are indeed the truth and the worship of self as god. It is indeed a religion. Why not embrace it?
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Tricia, atheism is simply “disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods,” as defined by the dictionary. We do not have to believe in anything, we do not have to put “faith” into anything and we do not have this cockeyed idea of being a god because we know that gods do not exist.
You have not understood my previous explanation because you insist, “It is indeed a religion.”
Well here again is the definition of religion, “the belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, especially a personal God or gods.”
What is not clear about that?
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“Tricia, atheism is simply “disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods,” as defined by the dictionary.”
” into anything and we do not have this cockeyed idea of being a god because we know that gods do not exist”
You do realize you just said two contradictory things in the same comment right Steve?
It’s either disbelief or an assertion no God exists one or the other
Atheism is an incoherent senseless worldview as you have just clearly shown
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I’m posting an old fav quote of mine to you, apparently steve is having some comprehension difficulty. lol
‘Insanity is believing all things came to exist by chance and apart from Intelligence. Atheism is the religion and proof of that insanity.’ -CS
Some people just cannot rid themselves of intellectual diapers.
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I would believe CS that you would be aware of what the definition of a religion is by now as you are a big pussy cat, correct? Therefore, it appears you are either using your cunning theist cat tactics to ignore the definition, or you have no comprehension at all. Lol.
I am unsure of how all things came to exist and if you think I am insane so be it, but you say you are 100% certain a most powerful being created everything and you think I am insane, ha,ha. By the way we call them nappies.
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The definition of religion? So you have an argument with this per scripture eh:
‘Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, to visit the widows and fatherless in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.’
Stop embarrassing yourself. The blood in your trainwreck oozes foolishness.
Your atheism suggests that a windstorm stirs up the desert sand and out pops a camel. My thinking suggests God made the camel, perfectly, no accident. And oh, He made the sand as easily as the stars…….
So who has insanity problems? lol
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“cunning theist cat tactics?”
LOL! Well now I’m just full of envy! That’s even better than being accused of being a “spy” or a “jack booted thug.” You should frame that one, Colorstorm. 🙂
In all seriousness, however, God is really quite straight forward. Plain speaking. Direct. Atheists always seem to fear games, cunning, guile, being deceived. I’m just saying, the Lord I know is not like that at all, He is trustworthy. He speaks the truth to us, even when it’s hard to hear. No cunning needed,it simply is what it is.
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That’s right msb. No games here. Just the facts ma’am. 😉
But do you notice how all comers ignore the other ‘religions’ of the world. They know darn right well that the buddhas and shivas together can’t blow out a kid’s candle.
But scripture, ah, and the living God! Now there’s a battle worthy of their time, for they know God is true. He has no competitors.
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I do go by the definitions in the dictionaries due to the fact that is what they are supposed to be used for. The scriptures do not pass as non-fiction book never mind a dictionary.
You say, “atheism suggests that a windstorm stirs up the desert sand and out pops a camel.”
I suppose you are familiar with this popping up? “And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. And God saw that the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness.”
Both events are similar in magical content, therefore the train wreck is in your head not mine.
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Yeah ok steve. As good as the illustrious Webster was, I’m going with He who created the Alpha bet. As in the Alpha and the Omega, you know, He who was before all things.
His definition is without bias. One day you just may wake up.
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One most important detail CS, at least the Webster dictionary is a fact, it exists in the real world and it is believable with a practical use.
It is simple and an easy position for you to take when you use God as the argument for everything and anything everywhere. This is an argument you should have with Islamic Muslims because both of your religions have a similar ideology in the sense of what both these mythical Gods capabilities are. More interestingly, it would be a very entertaining argument.
“One day you just may wake up.”
Fortunately, CS, I have been wide awake since I can remember and to tell the truth, the more I find out about the unbelievable and variable beliefs of religious people and the more they ignore science and cultivate their delusions with fantasies the more I realise just why I am wide awake and just how extremely fortunate I am.
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Here is a write up on your Mr. Webster:
–His 1828 American Dictionary contained the greatest number of Biblical definitions given in any reference volume. Webster considered education “useless without the Bible.”[49] Webster released his own edition of the Bible in 1833, called the Common Version. He used the King James Version (KJV) as a base and consulted the Hebrew and Greek along with various other versions and commentaries. Webster molded the KJV to correct grammar, replaced words that were no longer used, and did away with words and phrases that could be seen as offensive.
In 1834, he published Value of the Bible and Excellence of the Christian Religion, an apologetic book in defense of the Bible and Christianity itself.—
Therefore, Webster lends his genius to the inspiration of the scriptures. Did you notice that ‘education is useless without the bible?’
And oh by the way, Mr. Webster understood more science than you and your godless heroes combined.’
It’s in his dictionary. lol
Please stop embarrassing yourself before thinking people.
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Thank you for the history lesson CS. Not really needed because I was commenting on the dictionary not the man behind it.
I do not care where Webster got his motivation from, I do not discriminate, and I see from what you wrote, “Webster released his own edition of the Bible in 1833, called the Common Version.” And “did away with words and phrases that could be seen as offensive.”
Of course, just another man’s version of the many hundreds of versions written over many centuries. Another version that has complicated and twisted the original Biblical text into an ideology to suit personal preferences.
I am quite certain that today’s Webster dictionary is very much the same as the Oxford English Dictionary that is the main historical dictionary of the English language, published by the Oxford University Press. If it is not I doubt it will be given any credibility.
Education such as science has had to fight religious ignorance for many decades and still is, therefore you are talking out of your arse CS.
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Apparently the point of the history lesson escaped you.
Mr Webster was affected by scripture therefore it infected his dictionary. This salient fact just may be too deep for your atheistic diaper.
Look up for instance his definition of ‘chastisement,’ then look at all other versions in dictionaries.
One thing is conveniently missing, and it proves Webster’s intellect was unmatched in the world of wordsmithery.
His dictionary screams Creator. I suggest you do not avail yourself of his genius, and be content with your own definition of words; and by the way, he twisted nothing.
Sorry, but I must return your cleaned clock, as I have entirely too many already.
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chastise
Definition of chastise chastised; chastising transitive verb 1 : to censure severely : castigate The coach chastised the players for their mistakes. 2 : to inflict punishment on (as by whipping) 3 archaic : chasten 2
http://sorabji.com/1828/words/c/chastisement.html
CHASTISEMENT, n. Correction; punishment; pain inflicted for punishment and correction, either by stripes or otherwise. Shall I so much dishonour my fair stars, On equal terms to give him chastisement. I have borne chastisement, I will not offend any more. Job 34. The chastisement of our peace, in Scripture, was the pain which Christ suffered to purchase our peace and reconciliation to God. Isa 53.
https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/chastise
Rebuke or reprimand severely. ‘he chastised his colleagues for their laziness’ dated Punish, especially by beating. ‘her mistress chastised her with a whip for blasphemy’
It seems like these definitions mean much the same, do you get a rise from this word? I doubt Webster’s “intellect was unmatched in the world of wordsmithery.” If he quotes Bible passages, especially from the fact he spoke American.
The Oxford dictionary is the real deal and stick your clock😊
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Of course it goes without saying steve that you would butcher Webster’s definition, as I asserted, and as you have proven by LEAVING OUT the most important point……..
Chastisement is more than punitive. According to Mr. Webster it is loving, something that is absent from your close mind, and it serves a greater purpose.
It is designed PURELY to restore one to a right relationship. Of course the illustrious Webster referred to Hebrews where we read: ‘Those whom the Father loves He chastises.’
But tks for proving my point. Scripture sets the standard, not you. Webster just so happens to agree with scripture.
And yes, Webster’s intellect remains unmatched. How many dictionaries have you made???????????
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This is a wonderful post, IB. I so relate to your experience as a child and coming to Christ. And you are so right about the hatred of Christians not being a victimless crime. This post was powerful on so many levels! Thank you! ❤ ❤
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Are you assuming that atheists hate Christians? On what basis?
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Oh good grief, Ark! On the basis of how their hatred so often drips from their mouths in the form of hatred, contempt and utter disrespect. Surely you are aware of this?
Perhaps not. Atheism tends to create a lot blindness regarding one’s own behavior.
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Well, can you quote me a few examples, please?
To my mind hate is such a visceral emotion and I for one don’t hate Christians. In fact, offhand, I can’t think of anything that I hate .
Yes, without a shred of doubt whatsoever, I consider you are all indoctrinated, delusional halfwits, but I certainly don’t hate you.
Good heavens!
Is this what you truly think of atheists?
Perhaps you need to get out the house a but more. There are a lot more atheists than you might be aware of and most are quite ordinary. Boringly ordinary in many case I suspect.
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I rest my case, Ark. Atheism tends to render people blind as to the nature of their own behavior.
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I am also amazed Ark, that Christians use the hate word so liberally when discussing atheists. They are taught by their God to love their enemies and I expect making false accusations against these enemies would definitely not be classed as love.
Hate is another level of abuse and to claim it is spewed from the mouths of atheists could suggest death threats at worst, physical harm and hurtful personal abuse.
I believe the term is used because the evidence and facts many atheists have in any conversation is very troubling for them and has the potential to make them think about how much unsubstantiated rubbish they have as an argument.
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I am severely moderated, Steve so you will always get a truncated thread on this blog, I’m afraid. In fact I doubt you will read this comment either.
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This is a riot comment ark.
You gripe about justified moderation while you have banned entirely yours truly from being a voice of reason at your place. But no, no hypocrites around here eh….
Br thankful you are moderated. You deserve it.
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As I mentioned to IB, I do not hate Christians, simply because they are Christians, but I have a gut feeling I could probably get to loath you will very little problem at all.
In fact ,if there was an election run-off between Ken Ham, you and some Road Kill it would be a coin flip between you and Ham as to who came second.
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Thank you for the compliment. I take this simply in that you have no appreciation for my fidelity to the text.
I stand on God’s word. Period.
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Gotta love it when the Godless heathen try to teach us how to be proper Christians. Might I suggest you actually read the Bible before you counsel people on It?
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I hear you, Wally. It’s somewhat tragic but a bit funny, too. Atheists are forever appealing to my Christian values and accusing me of not loving them properly, of bearing false witness, of lying. They do this without even noticing that it is kind of the height of hypocrisy to appeal to a standard they oppose, deny, and speak out against every chance they get.
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Exactly. It simply reveals the true motivation of the conversation doesn’t it?
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CS, Webster may be your scripture hero, however there is far more to life, only if you could ever drag yourself out of subservience to a God that is manifested solely in your brain.
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