Nightwind has a post up called “PUA RACE-BAITING AND DYLANN ROOF,” regarding something that has long concerned me, the relationship between the red pills and the radicalization of young men, primarily on the internet. The “Christian” radicalization of young men.
I have been a lone canary in the coal mine for a number of years now, simply trying to make people listen. Just listen, just hear me, Houston we have a problem! I’ve been hollering into cyberspace about it for a few years now.
This time Nightwind speaks of Dylann Roof, the kid who walked into a church murdered 9 Christians during a prayer service in a South Carolina in 2015. He is only one in a long line of ticking time bombs, broken and wounded lost boys easily triggered by rage, repressed sexuality, and convoluted perceptions of male dominance.
Nightwind says, “Roof was a regular commenter at the Manosphere blog, The Daily Stormer, run by Andrew Anglin. Anglin is a self-described Red Pill and MGTOW, and has often been praised by Red Pill bloggers like Vox Day.”
The red pills Pastor Wilson, the same guys who often read your stuff. The same guys who often praise your stuff. If you need an example, here is Vox Day himself praising your article from the other day the one you called, “The Fear of Woman Bringeth Two or Three Snares”
And here is Dalrock doing the same, while adding some extra emphasis on the permanently cursed Eve who I assume he believes pretty much deserves whatever she gets for all of eternity?
None of us are responsible for how our words are subjectively received by broken and wounded people, however there is strong correlation between authoritarianism, Christian patriarchy, and violence. Male rage, sexuality, and convoluted perceptions of dominance are a potent and toxic cocktail. I can read your words and see scripture, family, love, truth and beauty, all that is good and golden in the world. People like Dylann Roof do not, they read stuff about the horrors of womankind, merge it with male entitlement, throw in a few nazi symbols…..and than blow 9 innocent people away.
Christian people. My people. Our people.
We aren’t all feminists railing against the horrors of misogyny, Pastor Wilson. Some of us are simply Christian women, moms, grandmas, who understand how broken men can be easily radicalized into violence, especially when they are given the tools to justify and validate their desire to merge sexual frustration with a hatred of women. That’s powerful stuff, rage, anger, dominance, and if it is not contained, directed, steered in positive directions, it can cause a whole lot of collateral damage.
When we portray women negatively, when we write narrative that suggests women are more sinful, less human, inferior, worthy of contempt, we dehumanize women and paint a target on their backs. Anytime you dehumanize someone, remove their humanity, they become nothing more than a clump of cells, having little or no human worth and value. The same is true when we dehumanize men, with one significant difference. Men are 70 times more likely to engage in violence, like shooting 9 innocent people in a prayer meeting.
You, Dalrock, and Vox Day are all Christian men, men who should be leading the way when it comes to reducing the amount of senseless violence in the world and healing men, and yet none of you seem to understand the correlation here. I do.
I’m pleading for your help, Pastor Wilson. Please hear me and come alongside me. We need to do something about this and I don’t even know what that “doing” would look like, I just know we are called to step up to the plate and address it.
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Real talk!
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Thank you for the links. It should be mentioned too, that Anglin (who’s been praised an authority on Christian social dynamics by Vox Day) is trying to organize an armed Skinhead march on a Montana village. He’d tried to schedule this on MLK Day, but the Montana authorities have turned down his permit request for now.
Anyway, on ‘The Daily Stormer’ he’s taken to referring to MLK Day as ‘James Earl Ray Day’—in honor of the killer of a Baptist minister! Many of Anglin’s commenters are regulars on Manosphere/Game/PUA blogs in the comments sections as well.
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Good for you! Thanks for the enlightening post. I’m standing with you!
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Many scriptures speak against the things I’ve read in the few times I’ve looked at their stuff, those red pills guys. There were so many sinful attitudes being advocated for by them. Proverbs 1:11 comes to mind when reading the Roof story. But it all starts in the heart with the belief in their own superiority and they’re determined to harden their hearts and to never give any grace or mercy or justice in this world.
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Hello friend. You have raised a lot of questions for me but I think most of it is because I’m unfamiliar with the blogs you reference. I’m also unsure of some of the terms (red pill?) you used. In any regard, over the years I’ve learned to trust your judgement and want to know more about how I can help, as I truly see the need for Christian leadership in this space. How can I be most helpful?
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You’re awesome! I’d say you already do a great deal. You reflect Christ and you lift people up with your words. Often simply standing in Christ and being someone’s lighthouse makes all the difference in the world. We all have to speak words of life into the world, celebrate the concept of marriage, love, family, just as Christ loves His church. People need to see what that looks like in practice, in a tangible way.
Red pill is really just a term from the Matrix, it means you have taken the red pill and can now see reality as it really is, and are now free of all your delusions, like love for example. There’s an entire cult built around the idea that has begun to weave scripture around themes of male superiority and dominance, often with sidelines into white supremacy. It’s not all bad, not every so called “red pill” has evil intentions, but often the fruits of red pill ideology as a whole show themselves as some pretty blatant and obvious hatred, and often an expressed desire for violence.
I don’t really know how we begin to fix it, spread the word, start cloning all the good men who are willing to stand? Pray a lot, speak up when we see hatred being passed off under the guise of Christ’s name?
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Thanks for your patient answer and your kind words. It sounds like the topics are just fresh versions of what’s been out there for centuries. I’m a 57 year old father and grandfather so I depend on my teenage granddaughter to keep me current on terminology. My patient wife of 33 years will be the first to tell you that my growth as a man has come in fits and spurts. Fortunately, my dad (who is now in heaven) is still my ongoing reference point for what right looks like. I often wonder what Jesus would do but i never wonder what dad would do. The best lessons in leading boys and girls to become whole men and women are provided by example over time. I’ve never really solved anything over the internet. Anyway, I’m rambling. God bless you sweetheart. Steady on.
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Pastor Wilcox, to give a specimen of how these people operate on a daily basis, today I saw a Red Pill blog encouraging men to improve their spirituality. Nothing especially wrong with that. In the comments section there was a link to a ‘Daily Stormer’ article criticizing a European Church for allowing a Moslem to speak there. Right next to the Stormer article was this:
http://www.dailystormer.com/italy-coalburning-model-jessica-notaro-gets-a-face-full-of-acid-may-be-blind-stupid-bitch/
Which is fairly typical of these guys’ ‘Christian’ attitudes towards women.
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That link was disgusting. Pretty much par for the course for the Gamecocks, though.
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Today, Vox Day chimed on the story about the Italian model:
http://alphagameplan.blogspot.com/2017/01/burn-the.html
The comments that followed echo Anglin’s sentiments fairly closely.
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First, another confession: In this strange internet community where no one uses their name (much less knows the identify of their readers) it’s easy to self-aggrandize. That’s true for better or for worse, but the later is often dangerous as well. History books are filled with people who have cruelly marginalized others for one reason or another, and the sites referenced in this string are nothing new. I’m heart sick, but undaunted. Christians must take the battle to the devil with only God’s glory as their guide. Praying “Thy kingdom come, thy will be done” every morning is a call to battle.
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I don’t know if there may be a million other things that may important to do but I know that men need to, not only treat their own family well and lead them to follow God first and really be present in their sons’ life and training, but also reach out toward other boys and young men who otherwise have few or no good male role models. I know a young man who has desperately needed that and a stable version of it for all of his young life. Some men from the church where the woman who was trying to act as surrogate parent to him and raise him right had been good for him but each one eventually moved away leaving him feeling abandoned again and again by men. I tried to get my husband to engage with him believing that despite whatever shortcomings he had he was a very stable, steady man who would never move, never abandon family, never give up a real commitment and that he did want to serve the Lord. He never cared to reach out. And in the long run he’s proven that he has no interest in having those good qualities I thought he had. Nevertheless it can be said the general world of “Christian men” in our part of the world has utterly failed this young man. He’s had the one lovely woman trying to care for him for 8 or so years and getting a ton of stress back forcit including sometimes being attacked. But she loves him like a mother anyway. Last month at age 17 a few days before his son was born he attempted to take his own life. There are many more details that could be added on. But suffice it to say, after several days in ICU he began to recover and seems to have suffered little brain damage as a result of his hanging. He’s no longer open to anyone from church reaching out to him at all or so it has seemed for the last year or two. I pray for him. I reach out as I’ve always done, though he rarely responds well.
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RICH PREACHERS??? BY STEVE FINNELL
Estimated net worth of some well known preachers.
1. Pat Robertson 100 million.
2. Benny Hinn 42 million.
3. Joel Osteen 40 million.
4. Billy Graham 25 million.
5. Risk Warren 25 million.
6. T.D. Jakes 18 million.
7. Max Lucado 10 million.
8. Franklin Graham 10 million.
9. Joyce Meyer 8 million.
10. Creflo Dollar 27 million.
The list of millionaire apostles that walked with Jesus.
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That is correct there were no millionaire apostles.
Mark 4:19 but the worries of the world, and the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things enter in and choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. (NASB)
Matthew 19:23 And Jesus said to His disciples, “Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. (NASB)
Matthew 6:19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy, and thieves break in and steal. (NASB)
1 Timothy 6:9 But those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a snare and many foolish and harmful desires which plunge men into ruin and destruction. (NASB)
1 Timothy 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs. (NASB)
Titus 1:10-11 For there are many rebellious men, empty talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 who must be silenced because they are upsetting whole families, teaching things they should not teach for the sake of sordid gain. (NASB)
Are there contemporary rebellious preachers denying the word of God in order to gain wealth? Are some preachers knowingly teaching the false doctrines of their denominations in order to keep the money flowing.
Most denominational preachers would be fired if they preached the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Preaching from the Bible and the Bible alone can hazardous to your employment.
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Jesus’ father was a building contractor and had, apparently, the means to support a large family. James, John, Peter, and Andrew’s fathers owned a fishing fleet. Philip and Nathaniel were apparently men of leisure. Matthew was a government official. Paul, Jude, Thomas seemed to be wealthy enough to support their missionary journeys. Their families were all well-off enough to have given them an education—note that they could all write and communicate in Greek, including Jesus. Joseph of Arimathea, Nicodemus, St. Luke, and St. Barnabas were all wealthy men and so was St. Clement of Rome, the first Early Church Father.
In our politically-correct age, where homeless bums are considered the archetypes of human virtue, we tend to think that Apostolic Christians saw sin in wealth. Not so—otherwise why would Jesus preach so strongly against making Mammon one’s god? Probably the only disciple of the ‘hallowed poor’ was Judas, and did exactly what most of that class would do: stole from the treasury and sold out Christ for a cheap price.
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Even if some of them had financial means, most of His followers were imprisoned, tortured, renounced the comforts of family life, died as martyrs, etc. Your average megachurch pastor knows nothing of such suffering.
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Brilliant. Any time we dehumanize people…it takes away their protection of having been created in the image of God. This includes unborn children. A society who says it’s okay to kill children, suck them out of the womb, and sell their body parts is setting the example of lack of respect for human life. And as for women being more sinful, if Adam had taken the role of leadership that God gave him – he would have refused to eat the fruit when Eve gave it to him. He blew it.
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I read the “Fear of woman… post and wondered what in the heck he was saying. He sounded completely presumptuous and hubristic in his snarky generalizations of ..just about everything. What a waste of words. Stay far away from this guy.
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Thank you for the comment and for sharing your insight.
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Thank you for this post. I had never heard of the red pill movement, and was content to leave The Matrix behind in circa 2001. Yikes. A whole new layer of sickness for my daughters to contend with.
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I don’t agree with the connection of Christianity and violence or authoritarianism. In fact if a person does actually follow Christ, not pretend to, they won’t have anger inside that leads to violence and they will not control others knowing their God gives all of us free will. There are a lot of misconceptions about God and how you can pray your way to good fortune or a punishing God but I believe life is what it is. Don’t every try to figure it out, it’s not fair, it’s not easy and it’s up to us to try to do the best we can. More than anything I blame liberal entertainment that shows non-stop gun violence in all prime time programming and movies and it is so bad for young, impressionable and disturbed people. Religion is not to blame, it’s evil ones who are deliberately doing things to defile God and His words.
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