I haven’t picked on Vox Day for a while because frankly I find his particular brand of wrong headedness kind of boring and redundant. However, he did post “Game is the entry point to the #AltRight” which does speak to some of the same things I have been speaking to, the perfect confluence of the bizarre red pill cultians, the masculinity movement, and Donald Trump.
These guys are saving Western civilization or so they believe, by seizing the cultural narrative and engaging in social engineering. Least anyone doubt that and think I am insane myself, VD himself says, “Hence the tagline to this blog: saving Western civilization. Game is only the starting point.” Gaming the culture, not unlike one might game women into sleeping with you. Kind of like, think local, take it global.
Social engineering is actually very effective, as is brainwashing and assorted other forms of psychological seduction. People are surprisingly malleable, especially of you know which buttons to push. One of the best buttons to push is people’s desire to be part of a secret club followed up by convincing them they are thinking independently, radically, unlike all the others, special snowflakes in danger of persecution. Tribalism and victimhood. It’s heady stuff. Works every time.
I have an exceeding dislike for brainwashing and social engineering. I consider it a violation of privacy, a form of psychological abuse. However, considering Hillary Clinton is rumored to have just unleashed a bunch of internet trolls, er social engineers, onto the internet to campaign for her, I can’t really make a moral argument against it. I read Rules for Radicals long ago, but it wasn’t until the Obama on-line campaign that I fully understood how malleable people really can be. One can hardly cough up much concern and indignation about teh stoopid these days. It is far too prevalent.
I do wish to say two things however. The comment VD quotes says in part, “And those answers come, with varying degrees of accuracy and crudity, from the PUA/Game/MRA/RedPill blogs. Whatever their faults, they all have one redeeming quality – they are manifestly not insane.”
Oh, I assure you, they are all manifestly insane. Men in general have an amazing capacity to believe themselves to be reason based and logical, even while acting “manifestly insane.” I’m not trying to disparage all of mankind, the ability to do things that are manifestly insane while convincing yourself you are being reason based and logical, has served the species well.
The gamers tend to take “manifestly insane” to a whole new level, however. Given the alt right’s propensity for driving the crazy train right of the tracks, this should come as no surprise. Somewhere amid all the white supremacy and admiration for mass murder Andrew Breivik, you start to catch on. You people just ain’t right in the head.
The article linked to from which this comment comes is aptly titled, Re-Tribalizing America. Not quoted is the part that goes onto say, “These blogs are essentially applied evolutionary psychology. The systematizing, logical male mind is placed in the dispassionate, clinical service of disassembling every polite fiction about courtship, and replacing it with an amoral imperative. Women are to be understood, then mastered. And once women are mastered, they are irrelevant.”
Ah, now who does not like “the systematizing, logical, male mind, rationalizing women right into irrelevance?”
I gotta tell you Lost Boys, you really need to level up your game because I sure ain’t jumping on no crazy train that seeks to erase and render me irrelevant.
Eric said:
“Men in general have an amazing capacity to believe themselves to be reason based and logical, even while acting manifestly insane.”
What these Gamers on the so-called Alt-Right overlook is the fact that Bernie Sanders, another white male, is also a complete crackpot who doesn’t believe himself or his followers to be insane. Sanders also believes in evolutionary psychology, re-defining marriage, and mastering women (although through Feminism and gender politics).
“Somewhere between the white supremacy and admiration for mass-murderer Anders Breivik, you begin to catch on.”
Sanders wants to abolish races and create a new, superior race; and is a big admirer of Pol Pot. The point is, that the Gamers on the Alt Right can’t even see that their own insanity is only a reflection of their equally insane enemies. If one takes nearly anything the Gamers say about gender relations and reverses the genders, it sounds like any typical thing that a Feminist would write.
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insanitybytes22 said:
“Sanders also believes in evolutionary psychology, re-defining marriage, and mastering women (although through Feminism and gender politics). ”
Yep. Sanders wrote his “man and woman” essay for the Vermont Freeman. I’ve always wanted to go undercover and post it on a gaming site as a field report. I suspect they’d rather like it and wouldn’t even realize who really wrote it.
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Wally Fry said:
OK…here is my question and since all this red pill blue pill stuff really confuses me, maybe it’s not even related to this post. Beats the heck out of me.
Why exactly do we need a masculinity movement? Seriously, what am I missing? I know, I know the radical feminists movement and all of that….blah, blah, blah.
Here’s a movement for ya. Be a man. Be a bad to the bone masculine man. Don’t be a girl. That is what your wife is for. Kill bears and repel intruders. Read your Bible and follow it. Be kind and gentle, unless it’s a bad guy trying to hurt somebody you love, then kill them. But, seriously, be nice to people. Lead your family. Change yourself, change your family, change your neighborhood…and so the ripple goes. Why do we have to make this so difficult? Men and women are NOT the enemies of each other.
What am I missing in all of this, because I really totally fail to get it.
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Eric said:
Wally:
It’s all about men trying to evade doing those things you listed, because doing those things would involve taking personal responsibility. It’s easier for them to blame feminism (and women in general) for not living up to the masculine ideal.
Even granting that, because of both feminism and demographics, decent American girls are scarce; the world is big place and some countries have surpluses of traditional girls. Do you think that idea flies on any of their blogs? Nope—as IB pointed out, they’ve taken to hiding behind White Nationalism too.
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Wally Fry said:
Thanks Eric. That’s how it looked to me, as very evasive and a whole lot of projection going on.
The White nationalism? Don’t even get started about how that is about as biblical that is.
Thanks for helping clear that up, Eric.
Decent American girls? I guess out here in the sticks, we are blessed, as they pretty much grow on trees LOL.
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Wally Fry said:
IB you gotta fix my nonsensical comment. I was asleep or something.
I meant to say….don’t even get me started about how unbiblical that is. I’m not sure what the heck happened there.
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insanitybytes22 said:
LOL! I see no nonsensical comments, Wally. You said everything perfectly.
About those decent girls being so plentiful they’re practically growing on trees, I’ve just come from having coffee with a girl and said those exact same words about men! “Well shoot, good men are so plentiful they practically grow on trees.” It’s a funny thing to say, but it’s true. Kind of sad, but she really can’t see that because her eyes just aren’t looking.
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Wally Fry said:
My wife always says the cliche that you get what you give. If you want a decent spouse, be a decent spouse. You want a good girl, be a good fellow. If a woman wants good fellow, be a good girl. It’s really not as difficult as we make it IB.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Smart wife, Wally! Those are words of wisdom indeed. But never underestimate the human capacity to completely complicate the simplest of things! And make a mess of things, too. Believe it or not, we really need those simple reminders.
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Modus Pownens said:
Yeah, I’m starting to really dislike the alt-right movement. As a whole, they’re not as smart as they think they are. Some voices do have some merit — the little I’ve read of Mencius Moldbug comes to mind — but too many of them (including Vox Day) are blowhards who often confuse rudeness and being wantonly impolitic as masculine speaking truth to politically correct power. As if there isn’t a way to expand the Overton Window without being utterly unpleasant all the time. I understand fighting fire with fire when it comes to the Left is necessary now, but the uncouth levels the alt-rights sinks to is needless. Between the RINOs in the establishment and the white supremacists with authoritarian, win-at-all-costs leanings deifying Trump, the conservative middle isn’t holding.
I will say this though: the rise of the alt-right is attributable to the lack of leadership and backbone from mainstream Republicans.
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insanitybytes22 said:
Yes, I am all about free speech, but when your speech just becomes all about being as offensive as possible simply for the sake of being offensive, people become like rebels without a clue.
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janjoy52 said:
You go girl! That little rest got you so raring to go! ♡♡♡
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Paul said:
Oh IB that redpill crap is such tripe. I really don’t know why you bother with them. I mean even their use of big words when small words would do perfectly, is sure sign of braggardly, narcissistic, small minded behavior. And that’s just the words – their meaning is misogynistic, abusive, prejudicial, hateful, exclusionary, and ignorant. Look IB,the Bible says when someone is wrong in the eyes of the Lord, you first tell them so – which you have, in spades. Then you take witnesses to the offending member and tell them again that they are wrong – which you have with your blog. Then you take the info to the church – which you have through your public blog and no doubt in person to those with whom you worship. If all that fails to change their behavior, you just move away from them for they will twist your soul. You haven’t quite got that part nailed yet IB.
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insanitybytes22 said:
“If all that fails to change their behavior, you just move away from them for they will twist your soul. You haven’t quite got that part nailed yet IB.”
You got that part right, Paul. But there is something going on here much bigger than me, this isn’t about me at all, this is a cultural war, a spiritual war, where power that is not good is trying to step in and fill a void. You can’t just ignore bullies and hope they’ll go away, because they just grow stronger.
A crazy little woman got arrested at a protest the other day and she was screaming, “can’t you feel the hatred moving in?” Yes, yes I can, I empathize there. It’s a tangible thing and it’s going to shape the path ahead if people don’t come together and stand up against it. These are not just guys trying to pick up on women, they are a cultural and spiritual force to be reckoned with.
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Paul said:
OK if you see it as an advancing force I can understand.
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OKRickety said:
“I have an exceeding dislike for brainwashing and social engineering. I consider it a violation of privacy, a form of psychological abuse. However, considering Hillary Clinton is rumored to have just unleashed a bunch of internet trolls, er social engineers, onto the internet to campaign for her, I can’t really make a moral argument against it.”
Why does the rumor that Hillary has unleashed social engineers prevent you from making a moral argument against brainwashing and social engineering?
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