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Some people often wonder why I obsess over the red pills, bad theology, militant atheism, and narcissists and psychopaths. It all stems from a desire to try to understand the origins of some of the brokenness in our world. Indeed, it is an odd hobby to have. A sensible person would simply learn to knit.
I spent a long time working for our local domestic violence/sexual assault program and I have a pretty good grasp of what women’s brokenness looks like, about what motivates us and compels us, about the nature of sin and love gone wrong. Somewhere in that endless parade of horrors, I began to empathize with men, some who were just as lost and confused as anyone else, and some who were just the nicest people ever, and yet the evidence of what they had done was unmistakable, women left in shallow graves, raped babies, women doused in boiling oil.
People who don’t believe there is sin in the world, those who believe people are filled with innate goodness, are blind indeed. There are horrors in this world that will take your breath away.
Least I give the impression that men are evil and women are all just innocent victims, that is not my intent. Women commit all kind of atrocities too, mostly against children. And women abuse men too, it is simply that women in general tend to be smaller, weaker, and more prone to turn our rage inward rather than outward. Our targets are going to usually be those smaller than us, or involve violence that is more passive/aggressive and psychological. We are less inclined to go out and shoot up a school, for example. That kind of open, physical confrontation is not as common with women. It doesn’t make us any less evil, just less prone to cause as much obvious carnage. That could change as the world “evolves” and “progresses,” there are female suicide bombers now.
Every time there is a school shooting or some guy who jumps off a freeway over pass there is always this mad scramble to try to understand and fix the problem, often fueled by mediated reality and politicians of course. There are all these simplistic solutions based on knee jerk emotionalism, gun control for example. Quick, get rid of all the guns…and explosives, and anything sharp or dangerous.
Then there is the mentally ill bandwagon, one I frequently try to ride myself, to try and gauge the psychology of the perp, to attempt to figure out what went wrong there. There is a logical fallacy in that however, mental illness does not cause violence. Our attempts to label those we do not understand as mentally ill, is downright legendary. “Insanitybytes,” right? The very first thing people on the internet do when they disagree with me is to label me insane, dangerous, delusional, thinking disordered.
Donald Trump jumped on that same train this morning, trying to explain that the Oregon shooter was mentally ill. What Trump was trying to do was to disqualify the guy, to separate him from the rest of us “normal” people, to create distance there. It’s okay, the guy was just mentally ill, meaning he wasn’t thinking right, he wasn’t like the rest of us. It’s okay, there is a rational explanation for evil. It is just chemical, biological, and causes one’s brain to malfunction.
I understand, I do this too, however the vast majority of people who suffer from mental illness are actually less prone to violence than the rest of us. Yes, less dangerous. Mental illness has become a catch all for bad behavior and I dislike this because it becomes a deception, an excuse, a way of distancing ourselves from the nature and reality of evil, an evil we do not wish to acknowledge, let alone identify and define, and who can blame us? It is a disturbing issue.
What is it however, that makes this latest Oregon shooter, “mentally ill,” but someone like Gary Ridgeway who murdered dozens of women, “sane?” Why was Susan Smith who murdered her two boys judged “sane” while the Colorado shooter was known to be “mentally ill?” The truth of the matter is that we don’t even understand what we mean when we label people “mentally ill” versus “sane.”
From a Christian perspective, it has taken me years to accept that evil is a real thing in the world, that it has a spiritual component, that it is not related to mental illness or how you were raised or what circumstances life has dealt you. We all naturally seek a rational explanation for bad things, but often there just isn’t one. Evil exist as an entity unto itself, and it is malevolent and intelligent and real. There is a cure, there is a way to keep it at bay, but so few seem to want to avail themselves or to even recognize our vulnerability and need for protection.
The enemy comes to steal, kill, and destroy. Those feelings of worthlessness, of rejection, that inability to love ourselves, what is going on inside of us, eventually manifests itself on the outside. When people are compelled to steal, kill, and destroy, there is evil there, not mental illness, not access to weapons, not the circumstances we have been afflicted with, but the narratives we have allowed ourselves to tell and nourish.
One of my many issues with the red pills is that they tend to nurture a narrative that implies women are the enemy, that nourishes feelings of rejection and persecution, that encourages men to stay away from the alleged “feminized church.” It is an ideology that provides a distraction, a diversion from the nature of what ails people, that offers an alternative to pour into the abyss of your soul, allegedly to keep the dark things at bay. I don’t think some of these bloggers fully understand the problem or necessarily intend to be the fuel on these fires, but when you label women (and Christians) the enemy and than proceed to portray us as a threat,Β evil, oppressive, you will inspire and validate potential evil.
It’s a shame too, because I don’t think the red pills are wrong about everything, I think many of them believe they are offering something positive, something not often addressed in the world, and perhaps that is true, perhaps some people do benefit. However, promoting hatred, feelings of persecution, dehumanizng women, and portraying Christians as the enemy, is not how you go about it. That is how you pour fuel on what is already a powder keg. That is how you enable evil to write it’s own narrative.
Insightful post! I agree with you.
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Thank you for reading and for your comment.
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Where is the A Team? Surely they will visit. Or, are they too busy on the other post?
Good one IB. Not sure it fits exactly, but since I am the first one to say anything, I can say what I want LOL. You did reference making Christians out to be the bad guys. That’s how it all starts, you know. I argued with a non believer just yesterday about how far we are or are not from bullets in the head being the way Christians are dealt with as a norm. He swore it could never happen, I swore it could. But it all starts with the mindset that it’s ok to hate a certain group because they are somehow deficient. Once we feel that, then we can mock and harass. Once we can mock and harass, then the door swings open. What’s on the other side of the door? Well, let’s make them move to their own little area, then let’s take their stuff, then let’s legislate against them, then what the heck let’s kill them off or enslave them.
This commenter swore that could never happen in this country. Odd, I wonder if he happens to be old enough to remember when certain groups of people, right here in this very country, could not vote or come in the same stores as you and I?
It all starts with the demonization of a segment of society, once that happens anything else become okay eventually also.
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Ha! The A team is still hollering about four little words I posted that weren’t even mine.
You make a really good point about our history in this country. In the blink of an eye we can dehumanize people and start rationalizing atrocities towards them. Not only that, but the rest of us will begin to cower and go along with popular opinion. What is astounding and kind of scary is that it all begins with a few thoughts and ideas, our own human attempts to create a version of morality. People today like to believe we’re so much more evolved, morally advanced than our ancestors, but it isn’t really true. Put any of us back than in different times, different social expectations, and we’d probably do the same darn thing.
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Yep, it’s easy to fall into that. Look, IB, I live in the South. Sad but true that we are still struggling to get over our own feelings about African Americans.
My grand daughter is a mixed kid ok? Would you believe I have had to fight my own family over her? My mother and I didn’t even speak for over two years over some things her husband said about the girl.
But the point being, it happens when we just stand idly by and watch it happen. Even today, some older Germans would swear they had no clue their government was systematically eliminating the Jews.
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It’s incredible, isn’t it Wally? Up here in the North we had a huge Japanese population where I live, but during the war the Gov showed up one day and took them all away to camps. They left behind businesses, homes, property. They didn’t even have time to pack. Nearly a third of our town was gone in one day. Most of them did not come back, too painful, and all that they had built was gone.
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Ha we can’t even get off the hook for that one. Do you want to know where they took all those poor Japanese people? Right to my back door! The Rohwer WW II relocation camp is about 50 miles from me and I think was the biggest one of all of them. I really don’t know where they went, because they didn’t stay here either.
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Wow, so close to home, Wally! I’ve seen the photographs from that time, where they’re loading people up from my town and hauling them off. Very sad.
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“He swore it could never happen, I swore it could. ”
Perhaps I wasn’t clear, but in the discussion in question, it was not my intent to “swear it could never happen.” I made many, many comments yesterday, and it would be nice if my comments were not oversimplified.
As I said, anything is possible. Now, I do think that it’s very unlikely and that we are a very long way from “bullets in the heads of Christians, and I explained in detail why this was my conclusion. Yes, I’m pretty confident that it will not become “acceptable” to put bullets in the heads of Christians. Perhaps this led you to the conclusion that I said “never.” Perhaps I could have been more careful in my wording. But it was not my intent to say “never.”
I hope this clears this up.
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David, okay, I over simplified. I do that, because I am very simple. On the other hand, the average simpleton such as me would have drawn from your words that the likelihood of this is so small as to be, in effect, never.
At any rate, your position is clear.
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“The average simpleton such as me would have drawn from your words that the likelihood of this is so small as to be, in effect, never.”
As they say in the Princess Bride, there’s a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. And “very unlikely” does not equal “never.” I apologize for not being clearer about this.
“At any rate, your position is clear.”
Good.
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Of course red pill sees and shows women as the enemy. Women and all things female. They even created a special term for all those scary and powerful female-driven and directed forces that are out to get them and destroy their precious male essence: the feminine imperative.
It is funny how they deny it. “Show me where I call women the enemy, huh? Show me where I use the exact word!”
To those who posture so, I’d say:
“Your low intellectual abilities combined with an astonishing lack of self-awareness and nearly complete absence of basic emotional skills are what leads you to behave in this transparently dishonest and self-serving way.”
Notice that I’ve never called them idiots. π
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Well said, Mildly.
Speaking of an astonishing lack of self awareness, I’m going to have to write about red pill women one of these days. They are like caricatures, holographic projections of some distorted male fantasy of womanhood.
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It is quite something how red pill women ingratiate themselves to men who are among the worst misogynists on the web, and likely outside of it, too.
Their efforts to outdo each other in displays of their submissiveness, while humblebragging about their looks and other, er, virtues are entertaining, though. In a cringe-inducing way, but still.
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It is somewhat entertaining although incredibly transparent and I often have to fight the urge to laugh.
Women will do this, that is a part of our nature, both maternal instinct gone awry, where we want to protect all the wounded birds, and also a desire to win the favor of the biggest, baddest,the worst, so we can be the pretty princess, the only one who truly understands him.
That’s heady stuff, female sexual pride and power in action. I’d laugh, except so many darn women have gotten themselves killed over it.
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It is transparent, yes. I would not say this is part of women’s nature, though. Many women do that; many others don’t. Those ‘nature’ claims are often too self-serving and misleading.
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Oh, I would argue that it is clearly a part of women’s nature. Not the vicious competitiveness and back stabbing, but a desire to make an honest man out of…well men. That is simply biology, we need the provision and protection they offer in order to make babies and produce families. However, we also need a certain amount of control, the ability to tame the beast, so to speak. He must be mean enough to kill mammoths and yet gentle enough to have dinner with. Needless to say this looks different in different women, depending on our personality type and the amount of confusion going on within us, but for the most part, that is the jist of it.
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Debasing oneself is no more in women’s ‘nature,’ IB, than, say, slavery was in the ‘nature’ of blacks.
I am not going to debate it, because I believe that is beyond debate. So, like a seasoned news anchor (which I’m not), I’d say, “We’ll have to leave it at that.” And by “we,” I mean me. You shall proceed as you see fit, of course.
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Debasing oneself? That was certainly not the idea I had in mind. To debase is to reduce the qualify and value of something. That is what those red pills try to do to women, to make us smaller than them, which is very small indeed, because they are so broken. It is not in our nature to debase ourselves, but rather to lift men up. That is what is innate to women.
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These so called red pill women seeking company and approval of the online misogynists are debasing themselves. Excusing-explaining this behavior with ‘reasons’ does not change it.
What they fail to see, among so much else, is that these men do not respect them in the least, because even they, as emotionally blind as they are, can see their red pilling as the self-debasement that it is.
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I’ll add this:
There is a popular term ‘attention whoring,’ which comes to mind when one sees any woman’s persistent presence on manospherian blogs and her extended association with that particular segment of the population.
Nasty and judgmental as it is, it sadly describes their situation all too well.
Emotional and mental self-debasement for men’s utility and pleasure is not very different from flesh prostitution in its dynamics. A woman who does so may delude herself by thinking and saying that she does it from noble motives, but the effects of her behavior on the men and their perception of her are very similar. Even these men do not take her seriously, or respect her, or would ever give her the kind of approval she seeks.
It is no accident that women who engage in this self-debasement are usually incapable of forming good relationships with other women, whom they see as their competition (yes, enemy) or evil harpies, etc. In other words, these women also dislike and demonize women, focusing, like red pillers, on their vices and seeing those as normal. At the same time, they present themselves as special snowflakes who are so unlike other women (because of their beauty, submissiveness, and ultra-femininity, or maybe because of their ‘masculine’ intelligence and interests, or maybe because of their humility and wisdom) that they cannot get along well with them and thus prefer male company.
Bernard Shaw said, ‘I learned long ago never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and, besides, the pig likes it.’ It makes sense. To me.
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Well said, Mildly. You are quite right.
While pondering the nature of evil and the Oregon shooter, I really do wonder what his online activities reveal? I’m a big fan of free speech and of course discussion doesn’t cause violence, but every time one of these lost boys shoots up a school, I see a broken loner looking to the red pills for healing and instead having his ego and hatred fueled.
I don’t know that he did, but it wouldn’t surprise me at all. “Women hate you, you beta chump, and Christians just want to feminize you,” is just the kind of inspiration someone needs.
I wish Tomassi was an adult and could speak civilly about it, because I really do wish to understand where that line is? No bother however, I’ve got plenty of other intelligent people around to help me figure it out.
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You cannot reason with hate-mongers, IB. You cannot expect them to see “the evil of their ways.” It just does not happen. They always have good-sounding rationalizations for their views and behaviors, to serve right after they finish their denials. Reason and light are not enough to penetrate ignorant hate and contempt in a direct confrontation.
We don’t know enough about the Oregon shooter yet, other than he was reportedly mildly autistic (diagnosed with Asperger’s), terribly lonely, and preoccupied with delusions of evil grandeur (narcissism): obsessed with the dark side — death, mayhem, hell — and seeing “glory” in acts of mass / public murder. In that, he was similar to Adam Lanza, and somewhat to Elliot Rodger, and a few others.
The Oregon shooter also had 13 weapons. A disaffected asocial or antisocial loner unable to control his emotions bought, legally, 13 guns. That itself is a fact to ponder for those who need such pondering (and especially for those who think they don’t); I’ve given up on that.
Yes, it would be useful to see where he found specific inspiration for his rage. I’m sure the LE folks are looking into that.
The general pathology of American (and not only) mass killers, and the external factors behind it, are well described in those two pieces:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702303309504579181702252120052
http://www.salon.com/2013/11/01/why_is_always_a_white_guy_the_roots_of_modern_violent_rage/
It goes without saying that red pillocks are not the people whose counsel troubled young men (or anyone) should ever seek, if they’re seeking healing and growth, and not an affirmation of (their) narcissism and psychopathy. The men who come seeking help from red pillocks and stay with them, find there a sense of belonging. That should be a huge warning sign for them (or anyone), if they were able to see and understand what it means. But they are not.
What is it however, that makes this latest Oregon shooter, βmentally ill,β but someone like Gary Ridgeway who murdered dozens of women, βsane?β Why was Susan Smith who murdered her two boys judged βsaneβ while the Colorado shooter was known to be βmentally ill?β The truth of the matter is that we donβt even understand what we mean when we label people βmentally illβ versus βsane.β
We kind of do, though — at least for the diagnostic purposes. There is no indication that the Oregon shooter was mentally ill, i.e., there are no indications, from what has been said of him so far, that he — unlike Jared Loughner for, example — was psychotic (suffering from active delusions and hallucinations that impaired his reasoning and planning ability, along with daily functioning skills). Susan Smith was also not psychotic (unlike Andrea Yates), therefore not mentally ill.
Mental illness (psychosis) suggests that a person is unable to understand their actions and their consequences. Most murderers are not mentally ill. As you note in OP, most mentally ill people are completely harmless, even though they may appear and act odd.
Those who do grave harm, on the other hand, usually appear and act completely normal. They are typically the character-disordered psychopaths and narcissists, and a combo thereof. An admixture of autism may lend them an aura of some oddness, but that itself does not mean much, if anything at all.
Malignant narcissists — narcissistic psychopaths with sadistic and machiavellian features — have the greatest potential for evil; but, like all narcissists and psychopaths, they tend to fool people with their ‘normalcy’ and reasonableness. Even malignant narcissists, however, are not destined to commit mass or any murder. The truth is that we have no way to predict who will become a mass shooter or a “simple” killer.
To further your understanding of evil, you may look up ponerology: http://www.ponerology.com/
You won’t be surprised to see psychopathy featuring prominently there. It is a relatively simple and accessible piece of work, giving an overview of psychopathic character pathologies that are behind evil. Ironically, it was published by an outlet called Red Pill Press, which I do not believe has anything to do with red pillocks (other than publishing this book that describes so well so many of them).
And before I forget: a good post, IB.
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Reblogged this on Citizen Tom and commented:
Since she does not actually say, my guess is that the latest shooting inspired insanitybytes22’s post. Given our president’s effort to politicize mass shootings and anything that even looks like a racially inspired killing of blacks, I tire of these subject as distractions from more pressing and less deliberately divisive issues. However, insanitybytes22 avoids the politics. Instead, she speaks of evil.
Evil. It is strange how people will not admit of it. These are same people deny Satan and Hell I suppose. Yet we live in a society that almost casually kills the unborn, and more and more our leaders think their primary purpose is “wealth redistribution,” stealing from one group of people and giving their ill-gotten gains to another (with a considerable portion diverted to political allies).
The evidence of evil is all about us. Everyone we see and know of eventually presents a side of their character we would rather not see. If that were not enough, we must struggle against relentless temptations to do wrong. Yet instead of contemplating what is and must be true, we give most of our thoughts over to rationalizing what seems to work for us. Instead of resisting evil, we do it. Fortunately, life keeps clobbering each of us, those who will not learn without hard knocks. I suppose that is why we eventually learn to equate wisdom with age and experience.
Nevertheless, age is not enough. Until we humble ourselves before our Creator, we remain foolish. Hence, until we learn humility, we give truth to an age-old proverb. There is no fool like an old fool.
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Thank you Tom, for the reblog and for your wise words. It is astounding to me how difficult it is to get anyone to discuss evil these days. We do tend to want to rationalize it away, even Christians.
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Umm, interesting IB. I have to confess that I have often wondered why you bother with the idiots as you do. Not the atheists, for they can put forward some good arguments – but rather those who use our religion to promote hate. They actually justify the atheists’ point of view.
You know there is a twisted logic in the red pills hatred of women. Humans are split into two main genders and it can be argued that if we were one gender, our issues would be much less – and we would be closer to God. Part of the problem with that is that God made us this way so we could approach unity spiritually. Without the two genders we would be much less than we are now. It makes it much more challenging but more rewarding. Basically it gives us binocular spiritual vision -as opposed to monocular spiritual vision available top one gender. Such a rich perspective holds orders of magnitude more value to us in understanding.
That said, I am still not overly convinced that attacking the idiots really gains anything. They get at least some justification of their position from your attacks.The question is : Do your efforts create more value and “good” than you expend in energy? To me that remains to be seen.
Evil – that’s an interesting topic. I am starting to get a sense of what you mean – that it is an organized, intelligent malevolent force that we invite into our lives and which takes them over. That said, it would be hard to argue that less guns and better gun control would reduce mass shootings.It would give evil less options to accomplish destruction. Like taking away a stick from a wild three year old – he may still be wild but he’ll do less damage. This is the same argument against nuclear weapons – less of them equals less risk. Again hard to argue. The purpose of gun control is not to reduce evil in the world but rather to reduce the effect that evil can attain.
Very interesting post IB. Thought provoking.
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“Basically it gives us binocular spiritual vision…”
True, Paul. In a spiritual sense I think it’s a really remarkable design. We are forced to come together in order to see the world through two sets of eyes, each perceiving something different. Some might call it a Divine comedy, but it can be a great deal of fun, too π
“The question is : Do your efforts create more value and βgoodβ than you expend in energy? To me that remains to be seen.”
True that. It actually takes a lot of prayer and self examination to make sure that I am following the right path, but iron sharpens iron, right?
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For sure there is a positive effect to your actions IB, that I cannot deny. I get it. I just hope that your efforts don’t damage you.
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How sweet of you, Paul. I love a bit of sympathy now and than. If I damage myself, I shall simply collapse in hysterics at the foot of the cross like I usually do. He’s used to finding me there. π
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Every time you post something, I just want to scream to the world, “Yes! Finally somebody who gets it!” Well said… we need more people who think the way that you do!
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Yayyy! Thank you. Every time you comment, I am reassured I am not the only one either. π
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You have a way with words and you back up what you say with truth and intelligence. I only have a few people that I follow by email and I recently added you to the bunch. I look forward to those emails from you! Very intellectually inspiring! Just keep writing! I believe your voice has the ability to change the mindset of so many people in a positive way. Are you by any chance a motivational public speaker? You way want to think about doing something like that if you aren’t already. I think you would be amazing.
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Ahh, you are very kind and your support is much appreciated.
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An interesting perspective on the violence committed by people. I too am always thinking about the possible causes of why some people decide to act on a mass shooting and those other who wouldn’t dare. I always wonder what is different about them, what happened to them. There’s no simple answer, and there’s so simple solution. As for the red pill, I completely agree and while they have valid points here and there about certain things, their fueling this fixation and contempt for women and feminism is what amuses me because in their blogs and videos, we get to see right before our eyes them becoming exactly what they claim to hate.
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* Damn my typos. I hate when I don’t proofread before I post.
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Evil knits.
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Ha! I must admit, when it starts knitting cozies for the toaster, the blender, the door knobs…. and a 75 foot neck scarf, I tend to get a bit nervous. π
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We ALL get a bit nervous…
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