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One of the wonderful things about the bible and Christ’s teachings is how unifying that message is, how it speaks to a diverse number of people from all walks of life, as if were not tailor-made for a specific group, but tailor-made for the human experience.
I love to talk to people from different backgrounds, different experiences, find out how they perceive the world, and then discover we are both on the same page when it comes to faith. There may be only one way to the Father, but there are many paths to Christ Himself. The fact that so many of us all coming from different directions, somehow manage to all arrive at the same place is downright miraculous. In faith all those human divisions, rich, poor, race, gender, assorted human hegemonies, eventually just fall away, and there we all are.
Personally I am quite grateful to have grown up within some pretty militant atheism because it forced me to have a personal relationship with Christ Himself. There was no leadership, no teaching, no “indoctrination,” into faith, it was just He and I walking alone. I read a lot and I talked to God and those outside of me just relentlessly said I was wrong, until even their voices just faded into background noise.
This idea that there are some awful Christians over here or some bad churches over there, or this appalling perversion of scripture coming from this quarter, wasn’t even a part of my world. I have this personal relationship with Christ and other people’s words, perceptions, behavior, are totally irrelevant, do not define that relationship. There is always this chain of command going on, God first, people second. People have biases, wounding, perception problems, misinterpretations of scripture, and assorted personal issues. Sometimes I can see those issues clearly as in “that’s not God speaking dude, that is totally you.” I am not easily deceived, too much water under that bridge, Living Water.
So in the course of blogging, I encounter the churchian gamers, mostly wounded broken, bitter men, attempting to distort scripture into their own personal validation system, where male superiority reigns supreme. As is the nature of broken people, they immediately use scriptures to try to point fingers at others, mostly women. Should wounded men harboring such resentment and anger be trying to teach women about faith? Absolutely not. That revenge based, show no mercy, I hate half the human race attitude, comes through loud and clear and taints everything they say and do.
I want to beg them to be selfish, to stop, to look inside and seek His healing, His grace. There is redemption there, you are loved, you are forgiven. Focus on yourself, find peace inside, avail yourself of His joy. You sow discord and wrought destruction, because you seek to tear women down as if that will elevate you in His eyes. It simply doesn’t work that way. I’m sorry, but it is what it is.
Then I flip around and there are the atheist evangelizers, talking those same angry little words, distorting scripture themselves, and trying to lecture me about the hostility Christianity allegedly harbors towards women. Stuff and nonsense, men sometimes harbor hostility, but Christ Himself was all about loving women, a rather miraculous thing in and of itself, considering biblical times.
So all in good humor here, but I find it really interesting when people from diverse beliefs and non beliefs see fit to send me the same bit of scripture all on the same day, in this case, 1 Peter 3:1-7. Serius posted it in my “Lessons for Christian Ladies” thread and I received it in two other emails from atheist evangelizers, as so-called “evidence” of how oppressive Christianity is towards women. Then some well-meaning angry Christian man sees fit to email it to me too, as if I am too uppity, and must be reminded of my place.
Scripture needs to viewed with a humble heart, with a desire to learn, with an ear tuned to the Author who will teach you what it means and how to apply it. 1 Peter 3:1-7 is not a weapon to be taken out of context and used to whack women over the head with, because that takes something beautiful and tries to make it ugly.
So, that dance between men and women, the one that occurs in a marriage context is a beautiful thing, a very sweet thing, not oppressive at all. It is simply the reflective nature of love, it is freedom, it is intimacy, it is a great blessing, full of some strife, but for the most part a rather joyous thing. One flesh. One does not tear another down as if that somehow is going to elevate you, you lift each other up. To try to tear someone down is to tear yourself down. Where one goes, the other goes, too. You would no more stomp on your own foot then you would stomp on your spouse.
There are some beautiful concepts in 1 Peter 3:1-7, and it’s somewhat sad to see it so maligned. “But let it be the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible, even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the sight of God of great price.” giving honour unto the wife…heirs together of the grace of life….
My plea today, my prayers, are that more people will look within themselves and seek Him, rather than reading scripture as if it only applies to others. Something just wonderful happens when you take yourself out of the equation and just let God be God.
“For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart” Hebrews 4:12
It’s not a sword one uses to stab other people, it’s a conviction within our own hearts. Be selfish and let it speak to you. There is freedom to be found there.
Good morning IB
Something you said in that post really caught my eye and made me think. We do see the accusation hurled over and over that we only believe what we do and say what we say because we were indoctrinated to do it. I hate to admit, but that may very well be true in some cases. Some Christians, especially those who have just always been “Christian.” don’t really have any understanding about themselves or their faith. It is just who they have always been.
People like you, and others who came to faith out of non church backgrounds tend to not be that way so much. I can look any person in the eye and tell them straight up that nobody EVER indoctrinated me. I came to where I am by the drawing of The Holy Spirit, the conviction of my heart and…wait for it…..careful examination of available evidence.
And yes, the freedom. So much more on the table than just getting our ticket to Heaven punched. We have a lot of life, hopefully, to live right here on planet Earth, and God gives us abounding grace and freedom to live it with great and wonderful joy. If we will.
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Good points, Wally. That drawing in of The Holy Spirit is a miraculous thing indeed. I’m laughing here, but sometimes He knocks on that door rather relentlessly, and eventually just drags us in kicking and screaming.
There are many wonderful Christians who really did grow up in faith and who really do have a beautiful walk. I appreciate them greatly. They have a unique perspective that I really need to hear. I think perhaps they may need to hear from us too, to know that faith is not just a result of culture or upbringing, or indoctrination, but that God is very real and actually seeks us out. He meets us where we are and builds a powerful faith.
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Amen to all of that
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‘…..an ear tuned to the Author…’ Most excellent thought and truth.
There is an old hymn which says:
Come, Thou Fount of every blessing,
Tune my heart to sing Thy grace;
Streams of mercy, never ceasing,
Call for songs of loudest praise.
Teach me some melodious sonnet,
Sung by flaming tongues above.
Praise the mount, I’m fixed upon it,
Mount of Thy redeeming love.
Soooooo easy to get out of tune 😉 But He bears long with our weaknesses, and giveth more grace.
Good stuff here insanitybytes.
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Thanks, ColorStorm. I haven’t heard that hymn before but now I shall pursue it. Yep, so many things in life are easy to sing out of tune. 😉
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Yes, worth checking out the many versions. Hers’s one your readers may enjoy 😉
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Well said, IB.
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Oops. I somehow posted that comment before it was complete…
Something I took away from your post reminded me of how the apostle Paul was “indoctrinated” into life as a Pharisee and it took nearly 14 years for God to work that out of him and become the man God needed him to be.
I guess we could say that the lessons Paul learned surrounded by the “uneducated” were far more valuable than what he learned being surrounded by the educated.
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Good point about Paul. You’re quite right, he really was indoctrinated into being a Pharisee and had to unlearn a few things.
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What a fantastic post. I could very much relate to your walk with Christ being enhanced by having grown up surrounded by militant Atheists. My background was more of an Agnostic bent but similar in that I was not at all schooled about church or Christ and faith meant praying to a big genie in the sky only when I was in dire need. When I finally did come around it truly was God wooing me in ways I never would have imagined and it was and still is so personal and empowering. The day gave up thinking I was right about everything was the first open crack and from then on it’s been an amazing journey!
Quick comment on 1 Peter 3:1-7…I completely agree with your thoughts on it and it’s funny how people that use it as a club always leave out the next verses that talk about husbands honoring their wives and treating them as equal partners and give lessons for everyone on how to love each other. If we all lived this way the world would truly be transformed.
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Thanks for your kind words, I’m so glad you get it, too. I love that “God wooing you.” That really is what it’s like isn’t it?
A young girl I know once told me, “sometimes I feel like God is stalking me!” I had to fight the urge to laugh because I think He is indeed stalking her, she just doesn’t have the language yet to understand what that really means.
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I do believe stalking is the right word too but definitely in good way!
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Beautifully said – from a beautiful Spirit!😺🌹
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Loved ALL of this…
Appreciated particularly the following comment, because people often misunderstand me when I say there are indeed many paths to finding God (knowing how I got here).
“There may be only one way to the Father, but there are many paths to Christ Himself. The fact that so many of us all coming from different directions, somehow manage to all arrive at the same place is downright miraculous.”
That states clearly what I mean when I say that.
Thanks!
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Thinking some more on what you wrote, and want to add this.
I see that women are regularly given an elevated position in scripture, even more than often granted in the realities of society today, despite the culture then, and despite individual scriptures usually quoted to express the recommended female submissive qualities. Stories are told in the bible of women being involved in and doing great things. Jesus loved and appreciated women and gave them special place.
Scripture is often twisted and wrested out of shape to prove a point, instead of looking at the whole context. Both Christians and atheists do this, unfortunately.
I just wanted to add verse 7 and following in the amplified version here:
7. “In the same way you married men should live considerately with [your wives], with an intelligent recognition [of the marriage relation], honoring the woman as [physically] the weaker, but [realizing that you] are joint heirs of the grace (God’s unmerited favor) of life, in order that your prayers may not be hindered and cut off. [Otherwise you cannot pray effectively.]
8. Finally, all [of you] should be of one and the same mind (united in spirit), sympathizing [with one another], loving [each other] as brethren [of one household], compassionate and courteous (tenderhearted and humble).
9. Never return evil for evil or insult for insult (scolding, tongue-lashing, berating), but on the contrary blessing [praying for their welfare, happiness, and protection, and truly pitying and loving them]. For know that to this you have been called, that you may yourselves inherit a blessing [from God–that you may obtain a blessing as heirs, bringing welfare and happiness and protection].
10. For let him who wants to enjoy life and see good days [good–whether apparent or not] keep his tongue free from evil and his lips from guile (treachery, deceit).
11. Let him turn away from wickedness and shun it, and let him do right. Let him search for peace (harmony; undisturbedness from fears, agitating passions, and moral conflicts) and seek it eagerly. [Do not merely desire peaceful relations with God, with your fellowmen, and with yourself, but pursue, go after them!]
(1 Peter 3:7-11 AMP)
Thanks again, for this food for thought……
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Thanks for your kind words and for your comment. That is an awesome bit of scripture right there! Thanks, I don’t think I’ve ever read the amplified version before.
It’s really a sweet passage that basically says, “love one another!” Those are such simple words and yet something we all seem to struggle with.
I’ve written a few posts about “weaker vessels” before. People can be quick to resist those words, but I tend to think of some of the things in the world that we love best, pets, babies, flowers, intricate works of art, fine pottery. A weaker vessel is not a lesser vessel, sometimes it the most treasured one of all.
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So why was Jezus perfect?
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[ …the atheist evangelizers, talking those same angry little words, distorting scripture themselves, and trying to lecture me about the hostility Christianity allegedly harbors towards women. Stuff and nonsense, men sometimes harbor hostility, but Christ Himself was all about loving women, a rather miraculous thing in and of itself, considering biblical times.]
So true. It’s the proselytizing atheists who become annoying. There are also affable and open-minded atheists with whom it is possible to enjoy some degree of friendship. There are certain standard accusations that arise over & over, such as: Christianity is misogynistic, anti-intellectual, sexually repressive, etc etc. After hearing these refrains many times, one barely even responds to them. They find what they want in scripture while we find what we want (liberty, truth, love, salvation, inspiration!)
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I have found those who consistently toss the Scripture reference of 1 Peter into the mix like a grenade being tossed by a seasoned soldier are the very same people who consistently choose to ignore Ephesians 5:25 – Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her.
HOW did Christ “love the church”? Sacrificially.
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Amen to that Zgypsy…the two are inexorably linked and complimentary. Glad you pointed that out.
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Good point, Gypsy. When we keep our eyes on that sacrifice that Christ made for us, the much smaller sacrifices we make in marriages come back into perspective.
It would be really awesome if some of those people would write about what it means to love your wife like Christ loved the church. Not so easy I’m sure and something we’re all going to fall short of, but that really is what it is all about.
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